Snapshot of Eurozone inflation falls to 5.5% in sharp contrast to UK. Economists put reason for divergence down to Brexit and Britain’s energy price guarantee.
Snapshot of Eurozone inflation falls to 5.5% in sharp contrast to UK. Economists put reason for divergence down to Brexit and Britain’s energy price guarantee.
Well I sort of see what you mean, my company does payment systems and I personally earned a nice tidy bonus for my work on the NI border project.
I really don’t see though, how the government paying me that money to do that thing that didn’t need to be done before is really a benefit.
Most of these opportunities you describe would have been just as availablein the EU, maybe even more so due to how much easier R + D collaboration was in the EU.
It sounds to me like you’ve kind of got the blinders on with this, vote for it by any chance?
There wasn’t a vote for that, you voted to let the Tories decide for you.
Oh yeah, I agree there :)
That’s the economic cost for a political decision.
I don’t see why people think centralising power, which is the result of ever more political union, is a benefit.
I’d like to see more decentralised government. A fediverse version if you like. Representative democracy is so last century.
Same reason you centralise anything, economies of scale. For instance, all this agri business regulation, if we just used the EU rules, then we can trade with them no problem and we don’t have to pay a load of our own people to do the exact same work.
There you go massive specific and relevant benefit that anybody can understand. It is interesting you cannot really do the same the other way.
Well I am loving feddit.uk so far, it’s smashing. The right tool for the right job is an adage as true as anything in my experience and decentralised systems are great in some places and fucking useless in others. As far as democracy goes, most people simply don’t have the time to gather all the knowledge you would need to actually govern effectively and make good decisions.
I mean could it be any worse than when we let these useless aristocrat pricks from Eton and Oxbridge who know nothing run riot? Might be less corrupt like, there is that.
But if the centralised management is flawed, as the EU’s is because of the CAP and vetoes, it causes massive problems, and then the fixes are sub optimal, which compounds the issue
Exhibit A
https://www.arc2020.eu/cap-billions-spent-on-biodiversity-with-little-impact-auditors/
And I’m not sure why you think someone in Brussels is any less likely to be corrupt
Exhibit B
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar_corruption_scandal_at_the_European_Parliament
The CAP has been reformed more than once and we were big players, most of the regulation UK gov wanted they got.
Vetos have been a problem wrt to foreign policy you are right, and there are talks about moving that to QMV as well. I don’t think vetos apply to CAP though, I believe that’s all QMV and has been since Lisbon.
As far as your examples, I think those are both fantastic examples of accountability on the part of the EU, in the first case they’ve commissioned a proper audit of the spending and the effectiveness of that spending, and now know what to address to make future spending more effective. wish our government did shit like that.
In the second case, all those people were investigated and arrested and are in court now, further they were voted out of their positions too, again something I wish our government would do.
You are doing a great job of making me even more sure I am right about this than I was before tbh with you.
The CAP has not been reformed successfully, you’re confusing task with goal
Wow, if you think wasting 66b is a sign of good governance, you’re lost pal
The CAP is controlled by the lobbyists, and backed by the big growing countries, always has been. It’s got nothing to do with protecting biodiversity and all to do with profit
https://www.politico.eu/article/copa-cogeca-farmering-lobby-europe/
Lol, those are the ones that got caught. Man, you are naive as hell
Why do you think there are over 25k lobbyists in Brussels? For the beer and chips?
You’ve added that qualifier not me, depends how you define success doesn’t it. My point was that things can and do change.
Heh, you know, I knew you were going to come back with this so I already have my answer to it.
Yes 66bn certainly does sound like a lot of money to waste, over a period of 8 years and between 28 countries.
Makes me wonder why you are not so bothered about the 200bn that this country has spent on this Brexit project, all on it’s own in the same time frame.
Oh right… so now you’re pointing to the corruption that you can’t prove exists?
Let me ask you this, what do you make of the blatant clear corruption in this country? specifically all of the pork barrel money related to Brexit like the Tees port scandal for example?
I’d like to think you’ll be just as scathing, but somehow it seems like any cost associated with Brexit is worth it for some reason, even though you can’t even tell me specifically what that reason is, much less prove it’s a valid one. I wish I could say this was the first conversation I’ve had with somebody with Brexititus related Brexit blindness but when you get down to it, you’re all remarkably similar.
Lol, you are like most remain voters I encounter, you like the idea of the EU, but don’t actually know anything about it. Of the 3 current federations, which one would you like the EU to become? Russia? China? USA?
Ok. Let’s do some simple maths re wasted money
66b wasted plus 66b opportunity cost plus 66b to redo the work that was meant to have been done. That’s 198b… And that assumes biodiversity hasn’t got worse, which it has, so it will cost more. Why do you defend failure?
And no, the UK hasn’t spent 200b on brexit. You are demonstrating stunning levels of economic illiteracy now.
When I present you evidence of EU incompetence and corruption, you claim this as evidence of competence and purity. 😂
How about UVL and her disappearing texts?
https://www.politico.eu/article/new-york-times-sue-european-union-ursula-von-der-leyen-pfizer-texts/
And no, I won’t defend yet another power structure, I’m not a nationalist, I think all politicians have the opportunity to be corrupt, I don’t think that them being in Westminster or Brussels makes a blind bit of difference. You just prefer corruption with a nice accent and better coffee 😂.
Yet again I go to read your link to see what you are talking about and yet again it’s not what you say.
Okay so the NYT wants to read the texts, how does that show evidence of ‘corruption’?
I mean, maybe we will see them and something will be uncovered, but as of right now you have nothing. If she’s corrupt then I hope they throw the book at her. You’ve not provided any evidence for your claim though. Again.
undefined> Lol, you are like most remain voters I encounter, you like the idea of the EU, but don’t actually know anything about it. Of the 3 current federations, which one would you like the EU to become? Russia? China? USA?
Mate one of the first posts you made on this contained 2 factually incorrect statements and none of your links have backed up your claims.
If me pointing this out makes me a typical remain voter, well I suppose that shows just how much more informed we are than you typically Brexit blind types.
Oh well in that case, £200 bn lost, plus 200bn to re do all that work when we do eventually join and then another eleventy billion for things I made up just like you.
OBR says otherwise.
You’ve already demonstrated you’re willing to make incorrect statements (charitable) and unsupported claims, bit rich to be saying anything about others literacy.
I never said that though.
I said
’ I think those are both fantastic examples of accountability’ which is an entirely different statment
Do you always make up these straw men to knock down,do you think putting words in your debate opponents mouth is a god way to argue? You are simply incapable of responding to the actual point that’s been stated or something?
You voted for fucking Brexit mate, and you’re defending it. If you aren’t a nationalist, you’re in bed getting fleas off them.
Honestly, you ‘lexiters’ are more deluded than the most red faced sun reading UKIPers.