Thats an awful lot of words to avoid the question. If you want Labour to beaten at the next election who do you want to win? Given that the only other party with any chance of forming a majority is the tories I would have to assume you want them to win.
No. Though I don’t buy that voting for a party that has moved significantly to the right will somehow encourage them to move leftward, and not simply reward them for moving to the right.
I’m not really dancing around it. Our first past the post system is to blame for the difficulty. I want Labour to be beaten from the left (quite a low threshold these days), not by the Tories. Starmer winning by being not-the-Tories is not a particularly strong endorsement; it also hands him and Labour great power to act without much accountability to any particular programme. They’ve already abandoned serious policy, he has long since abandoned his leadership bid pledges, all the while taking spineless positions on a multitude of major issues.
With FPTP, clearly this year people must vote Labour if in their constituency it’s otherwise a win for the Tories. But where a third party could win, people should vote with policy and conscience in mind. That could be LD/Green/SNP/PC, perhaps. None are perfect, but a plurality (maybe coalition) would better serve the people over swinging from one morally bankrupt ruling party to another.
Personally, I’ve always lived in extremely safe Labour seats. I support vote swapping where possible, until we get a mature, proportional electoral system.
So given that there is no significant party to the left of Labour (LDs arent, the greens are viable in about 3 seats and the nationalists only contest around a 5th of the total seats) you don’t want Labour to be beaten, you’re just frustrated with Labour’s position. I get that, it pisses me off how timid they are being as well. But trying to stir up animosity to the only party that can replace the current incompetent and at times bordering fascist government we currently have is not the way to go.
Thats an awful lot of words to avoid the question. If you want Labour to beaten at the next election who do you want to win? Given that the only other party with any chance of forming a majority is the tories I would have to assume you want them to win.
No. Though I don’t buy that voting for a party that has moved significantly to the right will somehow encourage them to move leftward, and not simply reward them for moving to the right.
So who do you want to beat Labour then? You’re still dancing round it.
I’m not really dancing around it. Our first past the post system is to blame for the difficulty. I want Labour to be beaten from the left (quite a low threshold these days), not by the Tories. Starmer winning by being not-the-Tories is not a particularly strong endorsement; it also hands him and Labour great power to act without much accountability to any particular programme. They’ve already abandoned serious policy, he has long since abandoned his leadership bid pledges, all the while taking spineless positions on a multitude of major issues.
With FPTP, clearly this year people must vote Labour if in their constituency it’s otherwise a win for the Tories. But where a third party could win, people should vote with policy and conscience in mind. That could be LD/Green/SNP/PC, perhaps. None are perfect, but a plurality (maybe coalition) would better serve the people over swinging from one morally bankrupt ruling party to another.
Personally, I’ve always lived in extremely safe Labour seats. I support vote swapping where possible, until we get a mature, proportional electoral system.
So given that there is no significant party to the left of Labour (LDs arent, the greens are viable in about 3 seats and the nationalists only contest around a 5th of the total seats) you don’t want Labour to be beaten, you’re just frustrated with Labour’s position. I get that, it pisses me off how timid they are being as well. But trying to stir up animosity to the only party that can replace the current incompetent and at times bordering fascist government we currently have is not the way to go.