I mean there are also legal frameworks in place that prohibit kidnapping your neighbours kids and shooting up their music festivals. Somehow Hamas gets to break this but Israel is still bound to Oslo accords?
Great question! There are two possible answers: 1. Israel is a democratic nation that respects human rights, in which case it needs to behave in accordance with international law or 2. Israel is, like Hamas, a nation of extremists using violence against civilians to achieve its political goals, in which case it needs to be treated like any rogue nation. So, since you invited the comparison, you tell me; does Israel need to hold itself to a higher ethical code than Hamas, or are they the same as them?
Well I think you also forfeit some of our your legal rights after you commit crimes? And certainly that doesn’t make Israel a rogue nation or just as bad as Hamas. There’s nuance and middle ground, it’s not black and white. The USA one-sidedly canceled the Iran nuclear treaty and the Paris climate agreement and they never accepted the ICC, that’s shitty but would you argue it makes them a rogue nation just as bad as Hamas? I don’t think so.
You asked why Islrael should be expected to follow the Oslo Accords if Hamas didn’t. I answered. If.you don’t like the answer, tough. But please, if you take one thing away from this interaction, make it this; the Palestinians can’t, “forfeit some of their legal rights,” because of the actions of their government. What you’re describing is called, “Collective Punishment,” and it is literally a war crime. Congratulations, you reasoned your way into advocating for war crimes. Great job.
The right to not be killed on a music festival outweighs the right to free water and electricity. It doesn’t make Israel and Hamas equally bad or rogue. And wether you name it collateral damage or collective punishment I guess that’s what war is like, sucks but always was like this and really there is no good way around it. Because what is the alternative? Israel directly supplying Hamas who they are at war with?
The right to not be killed on a music festival outweighs the right to free water and electricity.
It abso-fucking-lutely does not. A terrorist attack does not justify denying 2.5 million people access to water. You know, cause they die without it. And this isn’t new, Israel has been using water as a weapon since the sixties. Look up Israeli Military Order 158.
Anyway, I think in done here. You’ve don’t know basic facts about the conflict, you’ve defended war crimes, and you’ve actually suggested other war crimes. You have no idea what you’re talking about and you’re an awful person. This is a waste of my time.
The situation is just way more nuanced and not so simple as you make it out to be. Like did you note how Israel is actually not outright denying all supplies, they just want to not have it controlled by Hamas. That is a very reasonable thing and an absolute good faith try to keep the supplies going. If Hamas basically declines then how is it Israel denying water or starving millions of people? I don’t think Oslo accords demand for all supplies to go through your enemy military.
Catherine Russell, Executive Director of the United Nations Children’s Fund (UNICEF), said she believed that “the true cost of this latest escalation will be measured in children’s lives — those lost to the violence and those forever changed by it”, as rampant grave violations are being committed against them. More than 420 children are being killed or injured in Gaza each day, she said, adding that it is “a number which should shake each of us to our core”.
#On average, one child is killed and two are injured every 10 minutes during the war, turning Gaza into a “graveyard for children,” according to the UN Secretary-General.
#“This occurs amidst Israel’s tightening of its 16-year unlawful blockade of Gaza, which has prevented people from escaping and left them without food, water, medicine and fuel for weeks now, despite international appeals to provide access for critical humanitarian aid. As we previously said, intentional starvation amounts to a war crime,” the experts said
I mean there are also legal frameworks in place that prohibit kidnapping your neighbours kids and shooting up their music festivals. Somehow Hamas gets to break this but Israel is still bound to Oslo accords?
Great question! There are two possible answers: 1. Israel is a democratic nation that respects human rights, in which case it needs to behave in accordance with international law or 2. Israel is, like Hamas, a nation of extremists using violence against civilians to achieve its political goals, in which case it needs to be treated like any rogue nation. So, since you invited the comparison, you tell me; does Israel need to hold itself to a higher ethical code than Hamas, or are they the same as them?
Well I think you also forfeit some of our your legal rights after you commit crimes? And certainly that doesn’t make Israel a rogue nation or just as bad as Hamas. There’s nuance and middle ground, it’s not black and white. The USA one-sidedly canceled the Iran nuclear treaty and the Paris climate agreement and they never accepted the ICC, that’s shitty but would you argue it makes them a rogue nation just as bad as Hamas? I don’t think so.
You asked why Islrael should be expected to follow the Oslo Accords if Hamas didn’t. I answered. If.you don’t like the answer, tough. But please, if you take one thing away from this interaction, make it this; the Palestinians can’t, “forfeit some of their legal rights,” because of the actions of their government. What you’re describing is called, “Collective Punishment,” and it is literally a war crime. Congratulations, you reasoned your way into advocating for war crimes. Great job.
bravo
The right to not be killed on a music festival outweighs the right to free water and electricity. It doesn’t make Israel and Hamas equally bad or rogue. And wether you name it collateral damage or collective punishment I guess that’s what war is like, sucks but always was like this and really there is no good way around it. Because what is the alternative? Israel directly supplying Hamas who they are at war with?
It abso-fucking-lutely does not. A terrorist attack does not justify denying 2.5 million people access to water. You know, cause they die without it. And this isn’t new, Israel has been using water as a weapon since the sixties. Look up Israeli Military Order 158.
Anyway, I think in done here. You’ve don’t know basic facts about the conflict, you’ve defended war crimes, and you’ve actually suggested other war crimes. You have no idea what you’re talking about and you’re an awful person. This is a waste of my time.
The situation is just way more nuanced and not so simple as you make it out to be. Like did you note how Israel is actually not outright denying all supplies, they just want to not have it controlled by Hamas. That is a very reasonable thing and an absolute good faith try to keep the supplies going. If Hamas basically declines then how is it Israel denying water or starving millions of people? I don’t think Oslo accords demand for all supplies to go through your enemy military.
It is though.
Your just willfully ignoring the facts of the situation, because you’ve been programmed into never thinking Israel is to blame.
Not even when you literally advocate for collective punishment as something that right and okay to do?
That’s sickening.
https://press.un.org/en/2023/sc15473.doc.htm
https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2023/11/gaza-un-experts-call-international-community-prevent-genocide-against
#“This occurs amidst Israel’s tightening of its 16-year unlawful blockade of Gaza, which has prevented people from escaping and left them without food, water, medicine and fuel for weeks now, despite international appeals to provide access for critical humanitarian aid. As we previously said, intentional starvation amounts to a war crime,” the experts said
> killed on a music festival
if you’re worried about that, then take the guns from the iof. they’re the ones who apache’d a fucking music festival.