• @daellat
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    53 months ago

    Aka socdem vs demsoc

      • @[email protected]
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        133 months ago

        Today I learned that Socialism is when you do Capitalism in a nice way.

        Oh wait, no I didn’t, because Capitalism and Socialism are completely different modes of Production.

        • @Dasus
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          -83 months ago

          No, they’re not.

          They’re economic systems, not modes of production.

          Today, you’re still refusing to accept reality.

          It’s right there before your eyes. You’re too brainwashed to see it.

          • @[email protected]
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            83 months ago

            In your own words, they are economic systems. What do you call a system built on Capitalism, but with a slightly larger welfare net? Socialism? No, you call it Capitalism.

            You’re calling me brainwashed for correctly pointing out that Capitalism is Capitalism, even if you dress it up nicely?

            • @Dasus
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              -33 months ago

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              • @[email protected]
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                93 months ago

                Believe me, I’m not conflating Capitalism with markets. Capitalism is a specific form of market economy by which individual Capitalists buy and sell Means of Production, or Capital, by which they can pay Workers to use and create commodities via wage labor.

                Examples of Socialist market economies include Market Socialism, a form of Socialism built on competing worker-owned co-operatives.

                Examples of Socialist Market Economies do not include Capitalist Social Democracies, because the primary defining feature of Social Democracies is Capitalism with generous social safety nets, a kind of “human-centric” Capitalism.

                You on the other hand are making the misconception that Socialism is simply when the government does stuff. You’re wrong, of course, as countless people here have pointed put.

                Capitalism with regulation is still Capitalism. Socialism is when Workers share ownership of the Means of Production, simple as.

                • @Dasus
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                  -23 months ago

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                  • @[email protected]
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                    63 months ago

                    I did define Capitalism, it’s a market based system by which Capitalists buy and sell Capital and Pay Workers wages to produce commodities.

                    Please read any Socialist literature, you’ve gotten completely twisted into thinking Socialism is a nice form of Capitalism.