In these precarious moments with Democracy and Fascism on the line, is it really smart to shove a stick in the flimsy bicycle we already have that can possibly avert this?
I say no, it is not the time to negotiate. It is time to fall in line and deal with the big fish first.
I say no, it is not the time to negotiate. It is time to fall in line and deal with the big fish first
You would have us negotiate only after we’ve given away the biggest bargaining chip we have? I can tell you exactly how that’s gonna go. Moderates will give us the finger and call it a day.
There will be more elections down the road with less precarious leaders and less crazy consequences should they lose. Bargaining chips occur during primaries; Democrats have none for good reason this cycle — and even the progressives are in consensus.
Unless you want to run for office — then by all means.
You act as though progressives are the silent majority. We are deeply the minority in this country. We’re the smartest voters who, yes, Democratic strategists know will fall in line because we are aware of the greater poison. We don’t really have a bargaining chip in the first place.
What’s more is have you analyzed what would happen if Biden pivots heavily to us but loses the more conservative moderates who are the majority or more importantly, swing voters in swing states…?
Until we slowly overtake the Democratic party and the previous generation dies off, change is going to be slow and steady. Surely you’d agree it’s easier to destroy than to maintain or make progress. Such is the nature of entropy. So when progress isn’t on the table, I’ll take stability over someone smashing the puzzle.
You act as though progressives are the silent majority. We are deeply the minority in this country
Then we cannot possibly be primarily responsible when a Democrat candidate loses in the general election can we?
What’s more is have you analyzed what would happen if Biden pivots heavily to us but loses the more conservative moderates who are the majority or more importantly, swing voters in swing states…?
Are you acknowledging moderates would rather lose to fascists than compromise with leftists and progressives?
Nope. What I’m saying is that you clearly have a minimal grasp on polling data, and that the consequences of ceding everything to your demands means ceding the entire election to Republicans because the offset from conservative swing voters is greater than the risk of progressives sitting out. One would be a terrible campaign advisor if you suggested this. Hence why Biden is toeing the line between publicly disavowing Israeli action, withholding Apache helicopters, labeling the bombings as indiscriminate, and clearly pivoting away from Israel but still trying to court the conservative and Jewish voters in America.
So until you can give a substantive, data-driven response as to how Biden can maintain or pick up voters without risking the entire election to the true fascist, then I don’t buy your argument.
In these precarious moments with Democracy and Fascism on the line, is it really smart to shove a stick in the flimsy bicycle we already have that can possibly avert this?
I say no, it is not the time to negotiate. It is time to fall in line and deal with the big fish first.
You would have us negotiate only after we’ve given away the biggest bargaining chip we have? I can tell you exactly how that’s gonna go. Moderates will give us the finger and call it a day.
There will be more elections down the road with less precarious leaders and less crazy consequences should they lose. Bargaining chips occur during primaries; Democrats have none for good reason this cycle — and even the progressives are in consensus.
Unless you want to run for office — then by all means.
Oh? Is that why we got Biden? Because of all those bargaining chips we have?
Anyway you didn’t even try to deny that moderates will just give us the finger and walk away. You know it’s true.
You act as though progressives are the silent majority. We are deeply the minority in this country. We’re the smartest voters who, yes, Democratic strategists know will fall in line because we are aware of the greater poison. We don’t really have a bargaining chip in the first place.
What’s more is have you analyzed what would happen if Biden pivots heavily to us but loses the more conservative moderates who are the majority or more importantly, swing voters in swing states…?
Until we slowly overtake the Democratic party and the previous generation dies off, change is going to be slow and steady. Surely you’d agree it’s easier to destroy than to maintain or make progress. Such is the nature of entropy. So when progress isn’t on the table, I’ll take stability over someone smashing the puzzle.
Then we cannot possibly be primarily responsible when a Democrat candidate loses in the general election can we?
Are you acknowledging moderates would rather lose to fascists than compromise with leftists and progressives?
Nope. What I’m saying is that you clearly have a minimal grasp on polling data, and that the consequences of ceding everything to your demands means ceding the entire election to Republicans because the offset from conservative swing voters is greater than the risk of progressives sitting out. One would be a terrible campaign advisor if you suggested this. Hence why Biden is toeing the line between publicly disavowing Israeli action, withholding Apache helicopters, labeling the bombings as indiscriminate, and clearly pivoting away from Israel but still trying to court the conservative and Jewish voters in America.
So until you can give a substantive, data-driven response as to how Biden can maintain or pick up voters without risking the entire election to the true fascist, then I don’t buy your argument.
Ok then don’t cede everything. Cede something. Make an offer.