Got vehemently disagreed with, without counter-argument, for making the point that ‘AI’ art already requires a decent amount of human input and knowledged tinkering to get an adequate result.
I, for example, can’t sit down and make Midjourney output a human with only five fingers per hand. I’m sure I wouldn’t have to look too hard to find a tutorial on how to solve that hurdle, and the effort is no doubt a lot less than painting it myself. But my point stands that ‘AI’/LLMs aren’t doing diddly useful squat on their own and won’t be for a while because so far they just do not understand abstract reasoning and so need humans to accommodate that element.
I recall an excellent article that pointed out ‘AI’ doesn’t understand a prompt that says ‘no giraffes’ because people do not label every image on the internet that does not contain giraffes with ‘no giraffes’.
So, waffle coming to a close, I absolutely agree with you. As it stands - and likely for a long while yet - ‘AI’/LLMs are just a tool that can be helpful to artists in certain situations.
The point of the OP microblog still stands though; our system prioritises made up money trees over actual human life.
Minor nitpick, but negative weights exist for the purposes of excluding a result. Yeah people dont list “no giraffe” as a tag, but if you apply a negative weight to Giraffe, the AI will try and exclude any result that might count as a giraffe
Ye, thats why I said my nitpick was minor. AI Art is now my main preferred style of creating art, and it still takes me days of work and plenty of time in photoshop tweaking my results to get the final result I want
Got vehemently disagreed with, without counter-argument, for making the point that ‘AI’ art already requires a decent amount of human input and knowledged tinkering to get an adequate result.
I think that is a good point for now, but I think we are also going toward a point where that won’t be much of a hurdle.
The issue will be turning what AI can create into something people actually want to watch. And that will definitely still take humans until an AGI emerges.
You know what’s interesting is that I bet a lot of those problems with, say, stable diffusion, and generative models, would be solved, if they were more capable of trusting their prompters to have some measure of artistic ability, rather than only being able to put in keywords. It’d be much easier, I would think, to interface with something that makes images, through the language of images.
Drawing thumbnails, or stick figures, or basic shapes and forms, would, I think, make it much easier to interact with the model, and get what you want out of it. You could just draw a stick figure of a hand, and blam, proper number of fingers, and all that. It’s really funny to me, that I think, a core problem with much of this technology is basically just that it’s kind of become separated from the artistic methods which it is meant to assist. We could do a great deal with what already exists, without the need to endlessly scale it up (apparently the only form of concrete progression that the space is capable of), if only we were willing to perhaps focus on making it more usable and perhaps if we were more open to artistic input. Alas, this is not to be.
But I suppose that would happen to anything that falls victim to being “the next big thing” in the tech space, like crypto, or NFTs, or what have you. Just turns into a pile of shit. The midas touch, but instead of gold, things turn to shit. The shitass touch.
Edit: oh yeah also agree with all of what you said this shit kinda sucks bunk as it is, but mostly also people have a problem with capitalism. I think this problem in particular gets a lot of air because of how much influence artists and writers, creatives, have over the airwaves, generally, as high profile communicators, and how this is kind of the main problem capitalism is confronting them with in this particular moment. It’s also just kind of a high profile thing, everyone’s dumping into it rn, which sucks.
Got vehemently disagreed with, without counter-argument, for making the point that ‘AI’ art already requires a decent amount of human input and knowledged tinkering to get an adequate result.
I, for example, can’t sit down and make Midjourney output a human with only five fingers per hand. I’m sure I wouldn’t have to look too hard to find a tutorial on how to solve that hurdle, and the effort is no doubt a lot less than painting it myself. But my point stands that ‘AI’/LLMs aren’t doing diddly useful squat on their own and won’t be for a while because so far they just do not understand abstract reasoning and so need humans to accommodate that element.
I recall an excellent article that pointed out ‘AI’ doesn’t understand a prompt that says ‘no giraffes’ because people do not label every image on the internet that does not contain giraffes with ‘no giraffes’.
So, waffle coming to a close, I absolutely agree with you. As it stands - and likely for a long while yet - ‘AI’/LLMs are just a tool that can be helpful to artists in certain situations.
The point of the OP microblog still stands though; our system prioritises made up money trees over actual human life.
Minor nitpick, but negative weights exist for the purposes of excluding a result. Yeah people dont list “no giraffe” as a tag, but if you apply a negative weight to Giraffe, the AI will try and exclude any result that might count as a giraffe
Fair enough; I don’t know enough about it.
Does my point still stand up though? It requires a human to tweak these things - to prompt. The ‘AI’ isn’t imagining it up on its own.
Ye, thats why I said my nitpick was minor. AI Art is now my main preferred style of creating art, and it still takes me days of work and plenty of time in photoshop tweaking my results to get the final result I want
I think that is a good point for now, but I think we are also going toward a point where that won’t be much of a hurdle.
The issue will be turning what AI can create into something people actually want to watch. And that will definitely still take humans until an AGI emerges.
You know what’s interesting is that I bet a lot of those problems with, say, stable diffusion, and generative models, would be solved, if they were more capable of trusting their prompters to have some measure of artistic ability, rather than only being able to put in keywords. It’d be much easier, I would think, to interface with something that makes images, through the language of images.
Drawing thumbnails, or stick figures, or basic shapes and forms, would, I think, make it much easier to interact with the model, and get what you want out of it. You could just draw a stick figure of a hand, and blam, proper number of fingers, and all that. It’s really funny to me, that I think, a core problem with much of this technology is basically just that it’s kind of become separated from the artistic methods which it is meant to assist. We could do a great deal with what already exists, without the need to endlessly scale it up (apparently the only form of concrete progression that the space is capable of), if only we were willing to perhaps focus on making it more usable and perhaps if we were more open to artistic input. Alas, this is not to be.
But I suppose that would happen to anything that falls victim to being “the next big thing” in the tech space, like crypto, or NFTs, or what have you. Just turns into a pile of shit. The midas touch, but instead of gold, things turn to shit. The shitass touch.
Edit: oh yeah also agree with all of what you said this shit kinda sucks bunk as it is, but mostly also people have a problem with capitalism. I think this problem in particular gets a lot of air because of how much influence artists and writers, creatives, have over the airwaves, generally, as high profile communicators, and how this is kind of the main problem capitalism is confronting them with in this particular moment. It’s also just kind of a high profile thing, everyone’s dumping into it rn, which sucks.