Just a reminder that it’s still February, people.

  • Flying Squid
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    1010 months ago

    I don’t want to be a doomer, but I do kind of feel like climate change is going to get worse and worse and we will pay a terrible price.

    I’m not one of those “civilization will end” types, but I think there will be a lot more refugees and a lot more war. If the Himalayan ice caps melt, a lot of Asia is very fucked.

    • @[email protected]
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      610 months ago

      There’s a pretty big difference between “it’s going to get a lot worse before it gets better”, and “it’s already over, we’re all fucked”.

      The original comment presents things poorly: we are past several “points of no return”, but saying the point of no return implies there’s nothing to be done.

      Additionally the last point is… pretty much entirely wrong. We have absolutely made significant and noticeable progress against climate change. It’s not enough yet, but it’s absolutely not nothing.

      • Flying Squid
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        110 months ago

        I understand that. I’m just suggesting that doomers might not be 100% wrong because I think a lot of bad stuff is going to happen, so we shouldn’t just dismiss dire predictions entirely.

        I just don’t think this will be the end of our species or even human civilization everywhere. But in some places? Quite possibly.

        • @[email protected]
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          310 months ago

          Yeah I agree, I just don’t call “stuff’s gonna be bad” doomerism (it’s pretty clear at this point). I call “this is the end and there’s nothing we can do” doomerism.

    • @MotoAsh
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      110 months ago

      If everyone’s living in refugee and migrant camps, how is that not a collapse of civilization?

      • Flying Squid
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        210 months ago

        Well, for one thing, the vast majority of civilization does not depend on the Himalayas for water. But many people do.

        • @MotoAsh
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          110 months ago

          Climate change and global warming are not localized to the Himalayas.

          • Flying Squid
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            310 months ago

            Okay? I still never said everyone would live in refugee and migrant camps…

    • @[email protected]
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      110 months ago

      I’m not specifically saying that suddenly the planet is going to swallow up humanity as a whole. But, as you said — climate refugees — plus an uncertain food and water supply, and disastrous weather are going to cause humanity to fight amongst themselves. We will end up destroying ourselves to “survive.”

      • Flying Squid
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        310 months ago

        I think there will be plenty of places where life will go on without everyone having to till the soil. But there will be a lot more death and pain.

          • Flying Squid
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            310 months ago

            That is not something you can predict with any certainty. That may happen and it may not. We can’t know at this point. But there will definitely be a price paid for our continued fossil fuel use.

              • Flying Squid
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                110 months ago

                I do not pretend to know the future.

                • @[email protected]
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                  210 months ago

                  I’m not asking you be clairvoyant. I’m asking you to make an educated guess on the outcome of humanity based on what you know about humanity.

                  You can refuse, but just say you’re refusing.

                  • Flying Squid
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                    210 months ago

                    What I know about humanity is that we spent the vast amount of our history as small bands of nomadic hunter-gatherers, so any prediction you make is based on a very tiny fraction of our history.

    • @muntedcrocodile
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      -110 months ago

      Moat people in the first world will be fine at the small cost of thousands of dead poor people. But then again never mind the poor people.