• @loxdogs
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    -39 months ago

    That’s not an explanation… I am only asking to explain in other way, I could understand. I can admit, that I am wrong, if objective reasoning is heavy enough for me to say “yeah man, whis Ayn Rand is such a parasite”, but I don’t see it, or don’t understand

    • @masquenox
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      49 months ago

      You don’t understand how capitalism works?

      • @loxdogs
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        -29 months ago

        Well, you are getting paid for your work, by someone who managed to get the business going, all hard things aside.

          • @loxdogs
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            -19 months ago

            Can you please explain me than? Seems I was wrong all this time…

            • @masquenox
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              29 months ago

              Sure.

              (Just in case you thought I had forgotten about you.)

              • @loxdogs
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                09 months ago

                If workers want to, that could increase their professional aptitude to be able to maintain or work with new machines, making them more valuable and increasing their wages. If you are valuable you and your manager understands this - It’s in his self-interest to keep you on a workplace

                In objectivism, you don’t encroach on others right to live, so the last one is obscure

                • @masquenox
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                  29 months ago

                  You have never actually worked for a living, have you?

                  • @loxdogs
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                    -19 months ago

                    I am doing it right now and changed to jobs, until I found a great place. I am living with my fiance rn in a flat, without parents. Before this, I changed two jobs, I was It Specialist(anykey) in Vet clinic and a packer at a pharmacy. Both places I didn’t like and now I am a system administrator at insurance company. I like what I am doing and people I work with.

                    Another example is my father, he changed his job less than a month ago. He found a better job, where they paying him ~30% more for less work. He wasn’t changing his workplace for 10 years, but he was getting more and more duties for the same payment. So I don’t understand why people complain about labour. If you are not forced to work under a threat of death, you can always leave. It’s your choice to stay.

            • Cowbee [he/him]
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              19 months ago

              Capitalism isn’t wage labor, it’s a specific mode of production by which individual Capitalists buy and sell Capital, then pay Workers wage labor to use said Capital to create commodities.

              If the entity is Worker Owned, it’s Socialist, as Capitalism requires Capitalists.

              • @loxdogs
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                09 months ago

                In other words, worker is getting paid for creating goods/services for entity owner(capitalist in our case)?

                  • @loxdogs
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                    19 months ago

                    Yeah, but my previous take was about capitalism, so did I understand it right?

        • @masquenox
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          29 months ago

          How much did you pay your mother for having you?

          • @loxdogs
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            19 months ago

            Firstly, that’s rude. Secondly, the only possible way I can pay her back is give someone else another life.

            • @masquenox
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              9 months ago

              No, it isn’t.

              Did you or did you not pay your mother for all the services she has rendered to you?

              You can’t even apply Rand’s objectivist bullshittery to your own existence - yet here you are pretending you can apply it everywhere else.

              Put up or shut up.

              • @loxdogs
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                -19 months ago

                If you read about Rand’s philosophy, it is not a sacrifice to do something for the loved ones for free. Their happiness is your happiness, so it’s in your interest to make them happy. My mother never asked me to pay her back. I payback to foreigners and friends for their services. I don’t ask people to do something for me free, nor do something to others for free.

                • @masquenox
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                  19 months ago

                  not a sacrifice to do something for the loved ones for free

                  Good job proving what an irredeemable hypocrite Rand really was. So far, that’s the only substantial thing you’ve managed to accomplish.

                  • @loxdogs
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                    08 months ago

                    She wasn’t a hypocrite, she would also do everything for her loved ones and wouldn’t call it a sacrifice