The straw-est of mans. The argument is that Trump will win the General if you don’t vote for Biden in the General. Nobody cares what you do in the primary.
Isn’t the point of voting Uncommitted to send a message, to provoke a response?
I’m not saying they shouldn’t have. By all means apply some pressure, but when doing so recognize that there will be a reaction. Not following up with that with additional pressure, or an organized follow through turns what could have been real pressure into windbaggery.
No offense to you in particular, but this kind of response comes off as defensive and kinda whiny.
But he has? He’s literally trying to out-flank the GOP by moving to the right on immigration and the border wall. Which will not only fail to persuade trumpers to move dem, but will dissuade pro-immigration liberals and progressives. It’s a bad move. I think the rationale is that those crowds will have to vote Biden anyway or be stuck under fascist trump. Instead of trying to inch closer to Trump on Policy, Biden should try to distance himself from the GOP and run on popular progressive positions like Universal Healthcare, Public Infrastructure, increasing minimum wage, etc. And also stopping military and international support for Israel’s genocide in Gaza. Make more people enthusiastic about voting for Biden.
I like all the issues you are advocating for, but you guys are out of touch with the average Dem voter IRL. Border security is a bipartisan issue currently, and what is being discussed on Lemmy (or Reddit) has very little in common w the average irl Dem voter. With the GOP so far down the shithole, I suspect that in a few years the Dems will split into a new progressive and moderate Dems will eventually replace repubs. Maybe. One can only hope.
What republicans could they remind on lemmy? There are none and if there were most instances would (and have, exploding heads iirc) defed from theirs. Tbf, you don’t know whether or not they have an acct on truthsocial or even explodingheads and post inflammatory memes to them there where any of them would actually see it. Any “reminding” of republicans happening here is nothing more than a circle jerk everyone already agrees with, it’s just “preaching to the saved,” to steal an expression from religion, and unless you’re passing around a collection plate in the next few minutes preaching to the saved benefits exactly nothing.
Preaching to people to NOT vote is a very right-wing thing to do. Trying to get people who actually believe in democracy to essentially shit all over it like they do-
Yea, its not like the Biden campaign asked Gretchen Whitmer to say exactly that voting uncommitted in the primary would be helping Trump in the general.
The straw-est of mans. The argument is that Trump will win the General if you don’t vote for Biden in the General. Nobody cares what you do in the primary.
The Biden surrogates online called the Michigan uncommitted voters terrorists so…
Isn’t the point of voting Uncommitted to send a message, to provoke a response?
I’m not saying they shouldn’t have. By all means apply some pressure, but when doing so recognize that there will be a reaction. Not following up with that with additional pressure, or an organized follow through turns what could have been real pressure into windbaggery.
No offense to you in particular, but this kind of response comes off as defensive and kinda whiny.
So, who are you a surrogate for? You agenda post all day.
I’m a surrogate for no one. I just like to remind Dems their idols are faux.
And dems only.
Imagine that.
The GOP is unsalvageable. Trump is an idiot. The Dems are the only other choice to try to move Left. Biden’s currently moving right.
But he’s not. You’re just moving further left.
But he has? He’s literally trying to out-flank the GOP by moving to the right on immigration and the border wall. Which will not only fail to persuade trumpers to move dem, but will dissuade pro-immigration liberals and progressives. It’s a bad move. I think the rationale is that those crowds will have to vote Biden anyway or be stuck under fascist trump. Instead of trying to inch closer to Trump on Policy, Biden should try to distance himself from the GOP and run on popular progressive positions like Universal Healthcare, Public Infrastructure, increasing minimum wage, etc. And also stopping military and international support for Israel’s genocide in Gaza. Make more people enthusiastic about voting for Biden.
I like all the issues you are advocating for, but you guys are out of touch with the average Dem voter IRL. Border security is a bipartisan issue currently, and what is being discussed on Lemmy (or Reddit) has very little in common w the average irl Dem voter. With the GOP so far down the shithole, I suspect that in a few years the Dems will split into a new progressive and moderate Dems will eventually replace repubs. Maybe. One can only hope.
This comment reminds me of something:
https://youtu.be/TlXLCrzpToo?t=269
What republicans could they remind on lemmy? There are none and if there were most instances would (and have, exploding heads iirc) defed from theirs. Tbf, you don’t know whether or not they have an acct on truthsocial or even explodingheads and post inflammatory memes to them there where any of them would actually see it. Any “reminding” of republicans happening here is nothing more than a circle jerk everyone already agrees with, it’s just “preaching to the saved,” to steal an expression from religion, and unless you’re passing around a collection plate in the next few minutes preaching to the saved benefits exactly nothing.
Preaching to people to NOT vote is a very right-wing thing to do. Trying to get people who actually believe in democracy to essentially shit all over it like they do-
Well… it’s fucking stupid.
Where exactly are people saying not to vote in the general? All I’m seeing is/were calls to vote undecided in the Michigan primary
Ok, OPs post is correct but I see plenty of users here talking about the general and abstaining. No, I did not bookmark the comments.
They’re all over the place here.
I was referring to specifically this
Their prime purpose appears to sway people away from voting for Biden only.
Yea, its not like the Biden campaign asked Gretchen Whitmer to say exactly that voting uncommitted in the primary would be helping Trump in the general.