“They were attacking my faith. It bothered me to the core,” said Sara, a Southern Baptist who identifies as pro-life. “Because I had never viewed [IVF] as wrong, as anything other than beautiful and bringing another life into the world. … I’ve actually had a lot of friends pray for me and encourage me and help me along in the process.”

  • capital
    56•9 months ago

    How long until they realize they can’t square the circle of being pro IVF and still believe life begins and conception?

    I guess being consistent was never a worry for conservatives in the first place anyway.

    • @[email protected]English
      -37•9 months ago

      It doesn’t seem that inconsistent to me. Natural pregnancy often ends in spontaneous abortion (usually before the woman knows that she’s pregnant) but pro-life people aren’t against getting pregnant. I suppose that as long as the goal is to have a child, God makes sure no souls are harmed.

      • capital
        41•9 months ago

        There’s no getting around the fact that IVF ends with discarding some embryos.

        And if you think life begins at conception, that’s murder.

        Edit: Just read this in a NYT article:

        More than 120 Republican members of the House of Representatives have signed on as co-sponsors of the Life at Conception Act. Among them is their leader, Speaker Mike Johnson, an evangelical Christian who has called abortion “an American holocaust.” The bill provides that “the terms ‘human person’ and ‘human being’ include each and every member of the species homo sapiens at all stages of life, including the moment of fertilization, cloning or other moment at which an individual member of the human species comes into being.”

        That’s ironclad. You CANNOT support both IVF and believe life begins at conception.

      • @[email protected]
        27•9 months ago

        Life begins at conception or it doesn’t. There is no IVF without murder if life begins at conception.

        • @STOMPYI
          -10•9 months ago

          That’s just your perspective. There are plenty beleif systems allowing “souls” to check on their physical bodies but not actual reside permanently till up to 4 years old. So yea that’s is your opinion of life based on your definition of life contingent to a concept of a permanent soul.

      • @madcaesar
        13•9 months ago

        Wait, so God can make sure no souls are harmed??? So why doesn’t he just always do that regardless if it’s an abortion or not? Instead he’s actively picking and choosing which child’s soul is harmed and which isn’t?? What an abhorrent monster your God is.

        • @[email protected]English
          3•9 months ago

          Well, God has to draw the line somewhere. It would be weird if people who were going to live tragically short lives were instead born as soulless husks. The pro-life Christians defending IVF presumably think he draws the line at successful implantation.

          (Also, can people not tell by my tone that I’m an atheist?)

          • @madcaesar
            2•9 months ago

            It doesn’t matter what you are. What matters is your argument / logic. And it’s no bueno.

      • @STOMPYI
        7•9 months ago

        God most certainly doesn’t make sure souls are not harned. Fuck that God.