• @greencactus
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    110 months ago

    Then every single person who takes any action would make a difference in the world and change the situation, which obviousy isn’t true. Lots of people have tried rebelling and fighting against a regime, but failed. So this logic doesn’t apply in every case, does it?

    • Rottcodd
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      10 months ago

      Then every single person who takes any action would make a difference in the world and change the situation, which obviousy isn’t true.

      How did you not get my point?

      We’ll try it this way:

      Thirty people live in a town.

      Ten of them, with a leader, want some policy implemented

      Twenty of them oppose the policy.

      The ten with a leader organize and push for the policy

      The twenty who oppose it stand around with their thumbs up their asses, each of them telling themselves that they can’t accomplish anything by themselves.

      The policy gets implemented

      Or

      The ten with a leader organize and push for a policy.

      The twenty who oppose it each, individually, pull their thumbs out of their asses and stand up and say they oppose it.

      Each of those individuals, making their individual choices, finds themselves surrounded by nineteen other individuals who made the same individual choice.

      They easily outnumber the ten who want the policy and the policy fails.

      That’s exactly how and why individuals going ahead and making their individual choices instead of failing to do it because “I can’t make a difference by myself” can make a difference.

      All they have to do is stop waiting around for somebody to lead them, pull their thumbs out of their asses, and just go ahead and do it on their own, each one as an individual.

      • @greencactus
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        110 months ago

        Okay, let me rephrase - for me it sounds that if people work together, the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. Aka, if I am one of the twenty who sit around and do nothing, stand up, I on my own probably won’t be able to block the policy. But if I stand up, there’s a good chance others will get up as well and do. Or maybe I’ll discover that after I stand up, there are three others of whom I haven’t suspected anything, but who now also oppose the policy. And thus by standing up, you also influence others. If that is successful (aka if you can stop the policy or not), you can only find out afterwards.

        Is that right?