I understand that modern outer layers are more functional. A leather jacket, for example, can be dressed up or down so as to be worn in a variety of situations. It is also better at keeping you warm.

However, I think capes/cloaks are more aesthetically pleasing garments. It also feels good to have the fabric flowing around you as you walk. But what do you think?

  • Call me Lenny/Leni
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    I mean Roman-area as in their part of the world, not as in the time period (Roman-era). Capes began with the Greeks and crossed over to the Romans and Byzantines but it would seem never picked up in non-European cultures, and became a lot less common when the two Romes dissolved into a sum of their member states. Joan of Arc didn’t even wear a cape, a missed opportunity.

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      You can just say “Europe”. Nobody calls it “Roman area”. Plus it’s clearer and more accurate. European fashion trends permeated beyond the historical borders of Rome in some parts of Europe, and yet didn’t take off as much in historically Roman parts of the Middle East and North Africa.

      • Call me Lenny/Leni
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        -38 months ago

        I say “Roman area” because it was a Greek/Roman trend before anything else, it was a reference to that. It may have permeated but it never “picked up”. It’s like saying because there’s that one Inuit person wearing an Aztec poncho, it must mean we can say ponchos were a widely encroaching phenomenon.

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          Ok, but cloaks were a thing in various parts of Europe a couple hundred years ago, so I’m not sure what your point is.

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        -28 months ago

        America was still culturally considered an extension of Europe at the time. After independence, capes waned.

        • @Blue_Morpho
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          "became a lot less common when the two Romes dissolved into a sum of their member states. "

          What’s your timeline because capes were popular into the 1800’s in America which was 600 years after the fall of Constantinople.

          1899 Statue of Ulysses Grant with a cape draped over his arm.

          https://www.aoc.gov/explore-capitol-campus/art/ulysses-s-grant-statue

          Another poster in this thread explained the real reasons. Weather determined it’s utility which explains why no Roman capes in ancient Roman controlled Turkey/Israel/Egypt. Capes predate ancient Greece by thousands of years. https://www.iceman.it/en/clothing/ Modern textile manufacturing made it obsolete in northern wet countries.

          • Call me Lenny/Leni
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            08 months ago

            There is a difference between saying something decreased, saying something is gone, and saying something is ubiquitous or not. Whenever I say they go against the grain in a certain setting, people keep pointing to famous examples of them, as if it’s automatically a sign they don’t go against the grain. The Greeks and Romans made it standard wear for every officer, which is partially opposed to people post-Rome who lived in the area of Rome and much more as opposed to a place which might have individuals wearing them but where this would be spontaneous and not reflect expectations. Nobody in China, India, even America is going to ask “where is your cape” to someone. Something showing up does not make it expected.

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              The Greeks and Romans made it standard wear for every officer,

              A cape was standard wear for every soldier in the civil war.

              "A typical Union soldier uniform during the Civil War consisted of:

              light blue pants

              blue overcoat with a cape

              dark blue jacket

              heavy shoes

              woolen sock

              a cap called a kepi

              gray woolen shirt

              knapsack"

              https://www.civilwaracademy.com/civil-war-uniform#google_vignette

              where is your cape” to someone.

              No one does now because modern textiles made the cape unnecessary. Capes were standard wear for thousands of years before Greeks and Romans. https://en.natmus.dk/historical-knowledge/historical-themes/the-fur-trail/fur-in-prehistory/#:~:text=4-6 sheepskins were used,distinctive holes from a seam.

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                  Soldiers includes officers. I previously linked US Grant with his trademark cape. Having all soldiers with a cape is even more widespread than just officers despite your claim that it became less popular after Rome fell apart.

                  Google shows a cape was standard into WW1 and was also standard for WW1 nurses.

                  It wasn’t just military. Capes were regular fashion in the 19th century. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverness_cape

                  but it would seem never picked up in non-European cultures

                  Capes were common among many Native American tribes.

                  Capes were also common in China. https://www.newhanfu.com/2334.html

                  • Call me Lenny/Leni
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                    Yes, but I was talking about actual, run of the mill officers. People here are quick to side with the technicalities, the cape shown in the first link just now is never what I would have any reason to think of. And again, I’m not talking about the “occasional” examples. Nobody is going to conjure that image when thinking of Chinese culture. “Well there was that one thing” is not speaking stereotypically.