• @Pipoca
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    59 months ago

    There’s biking and there’s biking.

    In the Netherlands, for example, people wear helmets if they’re doing bike sports like road racing or BMX.

    But if they’re just cruising down the street on their granny bike to get groceries, they don’t bother because that’s fairly safe.

    It’s rather like the need for a seatbelt on the highway, vs the need for a seatbelt on a 25 mph neighborhood street.

    • Yer Ma
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      59 months ago

      A crash at 25 mph without a seatbelt can kill

      • @Pipoca
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        29 months ago

        Can, sure. I’m having difficulty finding the fatality rate for unseatbelted people in car crashes at 25 mph, but for pedestrians it seems to be somewhere in the single digits.

    • @HollandJim
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      49 months ago

      That’s changing. Electric bikes are involved in many more accidents now, and it’s advised to wear a helmet if you’re young or older (I’ve lived here 25 years now and you can see the changes).

      • @Pipoca
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        49 months ago

        Many more accidents than what?

        More accidents than traditional bikes per passenger mile, or passenger hour?

        More accidents on ebikes than 5 years ago on account of more people buying them?

        • @HollandJim
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          19 months ago

          Can’t seem to post links.

          Search for “netherlands older ebike deaths injuries” in google/ddg.

          • @Pipoca
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            49 months ago

            I see e.g. https://nltimes.nl/2023/08/01/trauma-surgeons-express-concern-e-bike-accidents-among-elderly

            Dutch trauma surgeons have raised concerns over the rising number of elderly people suffering severe injuries from electric bicycle accidents, AD reported on Tuesday.

            While some injuries result from collisions, most accidents are unilateral, caused by incidents like falling from a stationary position or losing control due to high speed,

            It sounds like it’s particularly impacting 65+ year old men - the same types who die from breaking a hip slipping and falling while walking.

            I’m not sure to what degree this is caused by ebikes encouraging them to keep biking when they should have stopped, or ebikes just being more dangerous when they fall over.

            • @HollandJim
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              9 months ago

              There are a lot more links, but this is a good one. It appears many issues are possible: higher speeds, heavier bikes (maybe harder to turn), but then both require a faster mental acuity to manage them. Plus, we use a LOT of traffic circles, and very often bikes can be in blind spots - I read that circles and intersections are where most accidents occur. Older people also assume you’ll let them through, but then again - blind spots.

              I’m not saying the Netherlands shouldn’t be used as an example of good infrastructure, but also there are challenges we haven’t resolved either. Let’s not ignore them.

        • @HollandJim
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          39 months ago

          Young, usually under middle-school age.

          Older, usually 55+. People here bike into old age.

          • BeautifulMind ♾️
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            09 months ago

            Older, usually 55+. People here bike into old age

            LOL I’m in my 50s and still racing