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  • @Linkerbaan
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    10 months ago

    “We are not waiting on the Israelis”

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    The scheme will take several weeks to put into action, however, carrying the risk of supplying too little relief, too late.

    Someone tell Biden that if he actually wants to do something he has a few aircraft carriers and frigates nearby perfectly capable of delivering food

    Or maybe Biden doesn’t want to do anything. He just wants to make it look like he does something. Wonder which it could be.

    • @gmtom
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      310 months ago

      You people are actually braidead.

      Please tell me how a frigate, nevermind a fuckjng aircraft carrier can deliver supplies without a fuckjng port to dock in?

      • @[email protected]
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        410 months ago

        The big ship stays in the water, and is used to supply smaller water craft that can ferry them directly to the coast; either by using smaller existing docks, or by simplying beaching on the cost. Unless we are saying that the US military lacks the ability to do a water based ground attack unless the enemy kindly leaves a port for them to use.

        • @gmtom
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          10 months ago

          There aren’t any functional docs on the strip, the closes is a small marina for small bosts that has no equipment for receiving bulk supplies.

          So you would have to load supplies onto lifeboats or ribs, ferry them across and unload them by hand, you wouldn’t even get half a tonne per trip realistically and you spend hours loading and unloading it all.

          Or if they happen to have amphibious assault ships in the area, they could move small truck of supplies on to the beach. But this would be a costly and still quite innifecient process. Which is why in any actual amphibious landing as soon as the immediate area is secured the Naval Cargo Handling Batallion builds at least a temporary dock at the landing site as soon as possible.

      • @Linkerbaan
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        10 months ago

        Aircraft carriers actually have a lot of storage space since they have to be able to cruise around for a long time without resupplying. They have many “smaller” boats surrounding them which can easily transport food if they used their life boats.

        If there’'s a will there’s a way. People are actively dying of starvation.

        Waiting multiple weeks to build a pier for “clean delivery” is what I would use the adjective in your comment for.

        • @gmtom
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          -110 months ago

          How many tons of food can a lifeboat carry do you think? How does that food get loaded onto and unloaded off the boat? By hand?

          If there’'s a will there’s a way. People are actively dying of starvation.

          And the US has been airdropping food in. But there just isn’t enough capacity, and Biden has been criticised for not doing enough in that case too. The real solution if for Israel to allow trucks across the land border and not machine gun residents when they try to collect the aide.

          • @Linkerbaan
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            10 months ago

            The real solution if for Israel to allow trucks across the land border and not machine gun residents when they try to collect the aide.

            Yes but Biden is actively trying to pretend that isn’t possible and make up excuses why he needs TWO MONTHS to build a pier to drop off food. In the hopes his voting base is stupid enough to believe he isn’t actively trying to ignore the issue.

            • @gmtom
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              -110 months ago

              How is he pretending that isn’t possible?

              How is he ignoring the issue? He’s building infrastructure in order to facilitate aid delivery, because his previous action of airdropping aid into gaza doesn’t have the capacity to provide enough food to alleviate the famine, and he only has to find this solution because Israel has ignored his calls to not start a ground offensive in rafah and also ignored his calls for a ceasefire.

              So I really don’t get how you can try and spin “he’s ignoring the issue” from all that.

    • @merthyr1831
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      210 months ago

      The US and UK (either or) could’ve stopped the genocide immediately – establishing a no-fly zone over Gaza and forcing israel to respect the Rafah border crossing instead of bombing it every time the trucks moved through a little too freely.

      They have no intention of stopping this unless Hamas suddenly becomes much more profitable to western interests than Israel.