A 25-year-old Missouri man says he mistook his mother for an intruder before shooting her to death at their home’s back door.

Prosecutors have charged Jaylen Johnson with manslaughter and armed criminal action in connection with the shooting death on Thursday of his mother, Monica McNichols-Johnson.

McNichols-Johnson’s shooting death came less than a year after another shooting in Missouri saw Ralph Yarl, then 16, get shot on 13 April by 84-year-old Andrew Lester after ringing the wrong doorbell while picking up his siblings.

  • @PoliticalAgitator
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    Coming at me citing suicide stats in a crime discussion, nice

    Suicide victims aren’t even cold before the pro-gun community sweeps them under the nearest rug, desperately hoping that if they’re quick enough, nobody will notice that means reduction is extremely effective in suicide prevention.

    You’re still more likely to be shot by someone, it’s just the “someone” might be you.

    But it’ll never be one of your kids with one of your guns, will it buddy?

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      You’re still more likely to be shot by someone, it’s just the “someone” might be you

      Pardon me for not considering actions I have control over in a discussion on the likelihood of violence one doesn’t have control over. And again, I’m citing larger numbers for gun violence victims than what they are citing incorrectly.

      But it’ll never be one of your kids with one of your guns, will it buddy

      At 1 in ~2000 odds (10 in 10,000 suicide rate, 50% firearms for ages 10-24), or literally the exact same odds that I’m saying a person should be prepared for based on their consequences, those are absolutely odds I would act to minimize if I lived with a minor or anyone suffering mental health issues.

      Just here to point out that it’ll never be your home, will it buddy?

      • Flying Squid
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        Pardon me for not considering actions I have control over in a discussion on the likelihood of violence one doesn’t have control over.

        You have control over who you vote for. I suspect you don’t vote for the politicians who will reduce suicides.

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          Bernie -> Hillary -> Bernie -> Biden since I’ve been eligible to vote, so just barely. You realize about 1/3 of gun owners vote left, right?

          • Flying Squid
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            If a third of gun owners vote in favor of making sure this sort of thing never happens, I’m all for that.

            But you seem to be arguing that this sort of thing is an unfortunate outcome of a necessity. Which seems to go against what the people you vote for think and want.

            Hillary, who you voted for, wanted to eliminate the Castle Doctrine, which makes this sort of thing legal.

            So I think you need to decide whose side you’re on.

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              Hillary, who you voted for, wanted to eliminate the Castle Doctrine, which makes this sort of thing legal.
              So I think you need to decide whose side you’re on.

              No, I’m not some fucking lib toeing the democratic party line, and criticizing someone for that is “RINO republican” bullshit with a D at the front. I also think her policy against police abuse of waxing poetic about its tragedies while advocating for further funding is bootlicking bullshit, I think her stance against abolishing the death penalty while downplaying its minimum 4% false positive rate in killing innocent people fueled by a 69% rate of official misconduct and 15% rate of judges overruling jury decisions to enforce the death penalty as “very unfortunate & discriminatory” is blatantly prioritizing bootlicking over actual justice, I don’t think her stance at that time to merely reschedule marijuana as schedule II rather than full legalization is sufficient, and her policy of “the cops can have a little stop & frisk, as a treat” is more of the above. And no, I don’t support eliminating the castle doctrine or passing duty to retreat laws for one’s own home either.

              But I’m sure if I instead cited these disagreements as why I didn’t vote for any candidate you’d be perfectly understanding, right?

              And what about this situation makes you think “this sort of thing” was legal here? The shooter was charged with manslaughter & armed criminal action with a bail of $100k.

              • Flying Squid
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                -110 months ago

                Obviously it’s not legal to murder your own mother who isn’t breaking into your home.

                But it is legal to murder someone who is breaking into your home.

                Even if the only thing they’re armed with is the rock they used to break through your window and you can just leave.

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                  Yeah, yeah that’s indeed where I draw the line. I don’t think a person is morally obligated to ascribe best-intentions to someone breaking & entering (again, they’ll be violent toward you 26% of the time), I don’t think a person is morally obligated to be a victim of violence in their own home, I don’t think a person is morally obligated to evacuate what is meant to be their safe haven, and I sure as shit don’t think anyone else either with a badge or without is coming to be the good guy for you. And as defense, I don’t think it is murder.