If you have multiple cops at the scene though, you can easily have one go through the tool kit using tazer, pepper spray, etc, while the other one covers them with a gun.
Yes, exactly. They work through every less-lethal option they have, with an officer ready to escalate to lethal if the subject ever puts someone at imminent risk of death or grievous bodily harm.
If, for example, an atttacker is ever close enough and aggressive enough to attempt to stick a shovel in someone’s head and neck, a covering officer can immediately stop the attack with lethal force.
So, officers could start with a less-lethal option, like a baton, or tazer, or bare hands, and only escalate to lethal force if the situation actually calls for it.
That’s not as simple as it sounds. Even if they somehow knew exactly what has happening and had pre-arranged a plan of action, by the time they knew the taser has failed, the partner is as likely to shoot the other officer as the assailant.
Tasers simply aren’t effective in these situations.
Pre-arranged plans… Hmmm like Standard Operating Procedures? Or Tactics, Techniques, and Procedures?
They didn’t need a football pre game huddle. It’s as simple as one guy saying “cover me” while they choose a less lethal option. This is literally why they train. Why we give them so much money.
And just because you deploy a Taser does not mean you stop creating space. Likewise, there is no rule that the partner needs to take a shot from 10 meters away. Standard infantry practice for an engaged buddy is to get right up in there and shoot where you can be sure of it. Just make sure you call the shot so your buddy knows to turn away. Which is all also training.
These guys ran straight into an unknown situation and someone died because of it.
I did see the video. He didn’t have to go straight in. He really should have waited for his buddy. But they train to operate individually and just go straight to guns. So that’s what panic stricken cops are going to do. Insert themselves into situations and kill people until they can go home again. At which point people like you show up to defend them.
We don’t have to accept this behavior. We can see better models of threat reduction in other countries.
The officer entered the house without a weapon drawn. Upon observing a threat, and was engaged by that threat before he was able to draw and aim his own weapon.
For the officers to have had sufficient time to engage him before he completes his initial attack, they would have had to have approached the door with weapons already drawn.
That’s why I asked about the time frame. Meeting your expectation for this scenario
The only feasible way they could have feasibly de-escalated the threat or used a less-lethal weapon would have been to enter the home of a black family with tasers and nightsticks in their hands.
I am comfortable in assuming that you would have a giant fucking problem with taser-wielding cops barging into black homes with no indication of an active threat.
You want the officers to wait for backup? I am comfortable in assuming you would have a giant fucking problem with a cop sitting in his patrol car while an attack is in progress, just waiting around until his partner arrives.
No, there’s no policy or standard that they could adopt that would actually make you happy, so there’s no point in trying. Since you and people like you are going to be pissed off no matter what they do, they might as well ignore you completely, and focus on someone else.
If you have multiple cops at the scene though, you can easily have one go through the tool kit using tazer, pepper spray, etc, while the other one covers them with a gun.
But that takes like actual thinking and training.
Yes, exactly. They work through every less-lethal option they have, with an officer ready to escalate to lethal if the subject ever puts someone at imminent risk of death or grievous bodily harm.
If, for example, an atttacker is ever close enough and aggressive enough to attempt to stick a shovel in someone’s head and neck, a covering officer can immediately stop the attack with lethal force.
So, officers could start with a less-lethal option, like a baton, or tazer, or bare hands, and only escalate to lethal force if the situation actually calls for it.
Still trying to ignore everything else about the situation I see.
That’s not as simple as it sounds. Even if they somehow knew exactly what has happening and had pre-arranged a plan of action, by the time they knew the taser has failed, the partner is as likely to shoot the other officer as the assailant.
Tasers simply aren’t effective in these situations.
Pre-arranged plans… Hmmm like Standard Operating Procedures? Or Tactics, Techniques, and Procedures?
They didn’t need a football pre game huddle. It’s as simple as one guy saying “cover me” while they choose a less lethal option. This is literally why they train. Why we give them so much money.
And just because you deploy a Taser does not mean you stop creating space. Likewise, there is no rule that the partner needs to take a shot from 10 meters away. Standard infantry practice for an engaged buddy is to get right up in there and shoot where you can be sure of it. Just make sure you call the shot so your buddy knows to turn away. Which is all also training.
These guys ran straight into an unknown situation and someone died because of it.
In the video, what was the time frame from first seeing the kid to the kid attacking him with the weapon?
You didn’t watch the video. You are commenting based on an article written by someone with less knowledge and experience than you.
I did see the video. He didn’t have to go straight in. He really should have waited for his buddy. But they train to operate individually and just go straight to guns. So that’s what panic stricken cops are going to do. Insert themselves into situations and kill people until they can go home again. At which point people like you show up to defend them.
We don’t have to accept this behavior. We can see better models of threat reduction in other countries.
The officer entered the house without a weapon drawn. Upon observing a threat, and was engaged by that threat before he was able to draw and aim his own weapon.
For the officers to have had sufficient time to engage him before he completes his initial attack, they would have had to have approached the door with weapons already drawn.
That’s why I asked about the time frame. Meeting your expectation for this scenario
The only feasible way they could have feasibly de-escalated the threat or used a less-lethal weapon would have been to enter the home of a black family with tasers and nightsticks in their hands.
I am comfortable in assuming that you would have a giant fucking problem with taser-wielding cops barging into black homes with no indication of an active threat.
You want the officers to wait for backup? I am comfortable in assuming you would have a giant fucking problem with a cop sitting in his patrol car while an attack is in progress, just waiting around until his partner arrives.
No, there’s no policy or standard that they could adopt that would actually make you happy, so there’s no point in trying. Since you and people like you are going to be pissed off no matter what they do, they might as well ignore you completely, and focus on someone else.
You uh dance professionally or just when you’re trying to miss the point so you don’t have to accept things?
He should not have approached the house alone when backup was right there.
They should have approached with weapons drawn. The door was open and the caller reported an aggressive person.
One of those weapons should have been less than lethal.
There was an indication of a threat on the 911 call.
His buddy, the second camera angle, is a second away from linking up with him when he decides to follow Leroy Jenkins example.
There’s plenty of policies that would make me happy. I don’t ignore the existence of things just to score Internet points.