• @Feathercrown
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    210 months ago

    “Reality has a well-known liberal bias.” - Stephen Colbert

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      “The white liberal differs from the white conservative only in one way: the liberal is more deceitful than the conservative.”

      - Malcolm X

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        -610 months ago

        As much as I appreciate Malcolm X, this quote is very much a product of its time.

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          Not at all. We’ve seen this our whole lives, and are currently seeing it with the liberal response to the ongoing genocide in Palestine too. They only support emancipatory movements in theory, but in practice are the same as conservatives: they stop when those people are taking direct action for emancipation, specially when it threatens their own positions.

          "…who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a “more convenient season.” - MLK

          Liberals didn’t like Mandela’s use of force to overthrow apartheid in South Africa, and they wouldn’t approve of it if it happened now either. The same way they aren’t approving of Palestinian resistance groups like Hamas in their war against the apartheid colony “israel”.

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            110 months ago

            I’ve seen fairly universal support from liberal voters both irl and online for Palestine, but not from our politicians.

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              That was the same with black liberation and apartheid South Africa in MLK and Mandela’s time: they support it only in theory. How many of them supported direct action and use of violent force to actually materially change those? How many of them support Hamas, PFLP, etc in our current time now?

              The answer is “not many”, because MLK, Malcolm X and Mandela were all right about liberals being the same as conservatives in practice.

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                  Hamas is more complicated

                  See what Malcolm X, MLK, and Mandela meant? You would’ve said shit like this about MLK’s and Mandela’s violent riots and sabotages of the government too, and liberals did.

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                210 months ago

                Yeah people seem to forget liberalism is a right-wing ideology. One look at Reddit’s takes on Palestine says everything.

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      1410 months ago

      “In every political community there are varying shades of political opinion. One of the shadiest of these is the liberals. An outspoken group on many subjects. Ten degrees to the left of center in good times. Ten degrees to the right of center if it affects them personally.” - Phil Ochs

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        -310 months ago

        Is this implying being right of center is bad? You know what that would mean, right?

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          You would have to start a long conversation about the overton window, and what left vs right even means to both you and i before tackling this question, friend.

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        710 months ago

        Comedians often speak truths. Often when others don’t. I disagree with colberts take here but dismissing a point cuz of where is comes from is wrong.

        eg carlin, Hicks

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        -110 months ago

        I mean it is kind of true. Education and liberalism are also correlated.

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      410 months ago

      Neoliberalism =/= liberalism and especially not leftism (or just “the opposite of conservatism”), which I assume is what Colbert means