The Israeli government is responding after celebrities including Billie Eilish and Mark Ruffalo sported red pins at the Oscars, which they believe symbolizes "bloodlust."
Just because it is a conservative source does not mean it holds up to scrutiny
It also means it does hold up as well.
Also bringing up the confederacy being tied to democrats seems to me like an attempted segway out of the current topic.
Not at all but is shows symbols mean different things. I wouldn’t fly the battle flag because 1. It’s not my thing. 2. It is the flag of the Democrats. 3. Even if it once was an anti-government meme, it’s now a symbol of hate.
No Democrat alive today was a participant in politics during the civil war.
But their politics are still the same racist politics as before.
It’s like the blood hand pin. What does it really mean, and should people be wearing it if it’s tied to the genocide of the Jews? I would say no.
You keep saying it’s the flag of the democrats. Yet those who proudly fly it now almost unanimously and proudly identify with the Republican Party. But it would be wrong to say that republicans advocate the ideals of the confederacy. You would need to give context as to why you think there is a connection with the confederate flag and current democrats. But again though, this has nothing to do with the topic and seems to be some sort of diversion.
As for the pin.
You have not established the connection of the pin to the 2002 murders, you have not established the 2002 murders to a genocide, you have not established that the participants of artist4ceasfire intended for the pin to have your prescribed meaning.
You have established that people, with a vested interest in perverting artists4ceasefire’s message for a cease fire, claim that they FEEL as though the pin was created to secretly signify approval for genocide. But facts don’t care about feelings. Its the burden of Fox News to establish this, and that the artists knew thats what the pin secretly means, because failing all of that, their call for cease fire is its only meaning.
Fox News states that there are Israelis that claim there is a connection, via a tweet from some dude on twitter with the intent to pervert the message from Artists4ceasfire to foster a cease fire. You linked the wiki article about the double murder from 2002. Which at no point connects the event with any symbols at all. I never claimed the murders didn’t happen, a actually assumed it did happen. Fox News as usual failed in its journalistic responsibility to establish any connection. They assume one because of bias and agenda would be my thoughts on why.
Ok first of all the top article if you read it states that there has been no connection to the symbol and the 2002 murders that they could establish.
And the second article is from the times of Israel. And explicitly stated that its covering what Israelites FEELS it means. It even ends with “i wonder” with the context that they wonder if artists4ceasefire knew, or cares that it makes them think of the 2002 murders. Then again any symbol used would have someone interpret in such a way to change the topic away from establishing a cease fire. More spin.
Again both articles fail to establish the connection. But at the least these two are open with that fact, though the last one is framing it in a way to not have to talk about artists4ceasefire message at all. Fox News assumed it to be true without doing their due diligence, either due to incompetence or to further an agenda.
And the second article is from the times of Israel. And explicitly stated that its covering what Israelites FEELS it means
Well if they feel that way then isn’t that what it means? Liberal ideology is heavily based on feelings.
You keep talking about Fox News when I’ve cited other sources. It’s cited many other places. It’s weird to keep rambling about fox as if they are the only ones to report it.
: Actor Ramy Youssef talks about his Artists4Ceasefire pin while on the red carpet at the #Oscars
“We are all calling for an immediate and permanent ceasefire in Gaza”
“We all want justice and peace for the Palestinian people”
This portion of your linked article makes up 90% of the explanation.
Then, there is a single paragraph that references opinions of social media users on Twitter
But according to social media posts, including one from the official X (formerly Twitter) account of the nation of Israel, the “red pin” actually symbolizes “one horrific event imprinted on the minds of Israelis and Palestinians. The 2000 Ramallah lynching of Israelis,” a real event that occurred on Oct. 12, 2000.
So again you are going by Twitter reactions and the feelings of genocidal Zionists instead of the primary source facts lmao.
Maybe try reading something before posting it? Especially when it proves exactly the thing you are trying to disprove. You cry about people calling out Fox news and claim you use other sources, but the reality is you are not citing the sources at all. You are making up lies then linking articles that do not support what you say.
No. Anyone can feel however they want about symbols and its meanings are not affected.
I mentioned Fox News because it’s the inciting article you posted, i specifically criticized you for it, And you claim it’s a reliable news source when it is not. The other sources you gave that are better news sources, do not back your claim.
And to prove my point you gave me a Snopes article. As far as i know they are reputable, and yet…
“Unfortunately for the claim, none of those sources proved this correlation either — they all described the events of Oct. 12, 2000, without mentioning anything about red hands (much less orange hands) later being used in pro-Palestine protests to symbolize those events.”
DID YOU EVEN READ THE ARTICLE?
This is all a big media push to undermine a possible cease fire, which assuming freeing hostages is the actual goal of Israel, a cease fire would be a benefit to everyone.
And you constantly are attempting to distract from the topic by attacking unconcerned groups. Once you learned that i am not democrat, you moved on to liberals. You misrepresent the liberal stance, yet it really doesn’t matter as it’s moot anyways.
Not at all but is shows symbols mean different things. I wouldn’t fly the battle flag because 1. It’s not my thing. 2. It is the flag of the Democrats. 3. Even if it once was an anti-government meme, it’s now a symbol of hate.
It’s like the blood hand pin. What does it really mean, and should people be wearing it if it’s tied to the genocide of the Jews? I would say no.
You keep saying it’s the flag of the democrats. Yet those who proudly fly it now almost unanimously and proudly identify with the Republican Party. But it would be wrong to say that republicans advocate the ideals of the confederacy. You would need to give context as to why you think there is a connection with the confederate flag and current democrats. But again though, this has nothing to do with the topic and seems to be some sort of diversion.
As for the pin. You have not established the connection of the pin to the 2002 murders, you have not established the 2002 murders to a genocide, you have not established that the participants of artist4ceasfire intended for the pin to have your prescribed meaning.
You have established that people, with a vested interest in perverting artists4ceasefire’s message for a cease fire, claim that they FEEL as though the pin was created to secretly signify approval for genocide. But facts don’t care about feelings. Its the burden of Fox News to establish this, and that the artists knew thats what the pin secretly means, because failing all of that, their call for cease fire is its only meaning.
The article does. It is a symbol from the second intifada.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Ramallah_lynching
Here is a photo of the exact symbol.
No, the article does not.
Fox News states that there are Israelis that claim there is a connection, via a tweet from some dude on twitter with the intent to pervert the message from Artists4ceasfire to foster a cease fire. You linked the wiki article about the double murder from 2002. Which at no point connects the event with any symbols at all. I never claimed the murders didn’t happen, a actually assumed it did happen. Fox News as usual failed in its journalistic responsibility to establish any connection. They assume one because of bias and agenda would be my thoughts on why.
See the blood hands photo. That’s where it comes from.
https://forward.com/culture/592190/ceasefire-pin-oscars-ramallah-lynching/?amp=1
https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/what-the-red-hands-on-the-ceasefire-pins-mean-to-many-of-us-who-love-israel/
Ok first of all the top article if you read it states that there has been no connection to the symbol and the 2002 murders that they could establish.
And the second article is from the times of Israel. And explicitly stated that its covering what Israelites FEELS it means. It even ends with “i wonder” with the context that they wonder if artists4ceasefire knew, or cares that it makes them think of the 2002 murders. Then again any symbol used would have someone interpret in such a way to change the topic away from establishing a cease fire. More spin.
Again both articles fail to establish the connection. But at the least these two are open with that fact, though the last one is framing it in a way to not have to talk about artists4ceasefire message at all. Fox News assumed it to be true without doing their due diligence, either due to incompetence or to further an agenda.
Well if they feel that way then isn’t that what it means? Liberal ideology is heavily based on feelings.
You keep talking about Fox News when I’ve cited other sources. It’s cited many other places. It’s weird to keep rambling about fox as if they are the only ones to report it.
Here is an article from snopes about it.
https://www.snopes.com/news/2024/03/11/oscars-red-lapel-pins-gaza/
Do you even read the shit you post?
This portion of your linked article makes up 90% of the explanation.
Then, there is a single paragraph that references opinions of social media users on Twitter
So again you are going by Twitter reactions and the feelings of genocidal Zionists instead of the primary source facts lmao.
Maybe try reading something before posting it? Especially when it proves exactly the thing you are trying to disprove. You cry about people calling out Fox news and claim you use other sources, but the reality is you are not citing the sources at all. You are making up lies then linking articles that do not support what you say.
No. Anyone can feel however they want about symbols and its meanings are not affected.
I mentioned Fox News because it’s the inciting article you posted, i specifically criticized you for it, And you claim it’s a reliable news source when it is not. The other sources you gave that are better news sources, do not back your claim.
And to prove my point you gave me a Snopes article. As far as i know they are reputable, and yet…
“Unfortunately for the claim, none of those sources proved this correlation either — they all described the events of Oct. 12, 2000, without mentioning anything about red hands (much less orange hands) later being used in pro-Palestine protests to symbolize those events.”
DID YOU EVEN READ THE ARTICLE?
This is all a big media push to undermine a possible cease fire, which assuming freeing hostages is the actual goal of Israel, a cease fire would be a benefit to everyone.
And you constantly are attempting to distract from the topic by attacking unconcerned groups. Once you learned that i am not democrat, you moved on to liberals. You misrepresent the liberal stance, yet it really doesn’t matter as it’s moot anyways.
Did you ever figure out how to read the article you linked?