• @PriorityMotif
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    08 months ago

    If the lawyer does a very good job, then the defendant has no path to later appeal his case. Many defense attorneys aren’t there to get their clients out of trouble, especially in high profile cases, they exist to make sure that the law is applied fairly.

    • @johannesvanderwhales
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      78 months ago

      If the lawyer does a very good job, then the defendant has no path to later appeal his case.

      This is complete nonsense.

      • @Katana314
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        18 months ago

        IANAL, but: It circles back to the right to fair representation.

        Say he’s convicted, but at a later court, claims “After my totally involuntary psychotic episode, now verified by multiple behavioral psychologists, my lawyer held my unintentional actions against me and did a demonstrably poor job in the remainder of the case. I deserve the right to a fair trial.”

        That COULD be enough to get the case declared a mistrial and re-scheduled.

        • @johannesvanderwhales
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          28 months ago

          But there’s also a billion reasons you can make an appeal. Most of which have nothing to do with that. Also, being able to make an appeal is a low bar. Most criminal convictions can be appealed…the chance of that appeal overturning the conviction remains low.

    • @[email protected]
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      8 months ago

      Are you saying you think a defense attorney’s job isn’t to do their best to defend their client?

      • @PriorityMotif
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        18 months ago

        There could be issues with witnesses or evidence that wasn’t handled properly. The attorney could point out all of those flaws in order to best defend their client. That of course would leave the defendant with nothing to try to apply with. A less thorough attorney might not find those issues.

        • @[email protected]
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          48 months ago

          OK, but your previous post says:

          Many defense attorneys aren’t there to get their clients out of trouble, especially in high profile cases, they exist to make sure that the law is applied fairly.

          Do stand by what you said about defense attorneys not “there to get their clients out of trouble?”

          • @PriorityMotif
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            28 months ago

            Yes, they are there to present eveey possible defense to the alligatons even if the client is clearly guilty. Reasons for appeal could include improper handling of evidence, interviewing witnesses improperly, or jury issues. If the attorney catches those and brings them up at trial, then they can’t be used during an appeal in order to get the client of on a technically.

            • @[email protected]
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              28 months ago

              You’re really arguing that a defense attorney’s job isn’t to get their client out of trouble (or in other words, defend them)? Do you realize how ridiculous that is?

                • @[email protected]
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                  8 months ago

                  From your link:

                  For several reasons, lawyers should defend their clients vigorously regardless of whether or not they believe them to be innocent.

                  From your previous post:

                  Many defense attorneys aren’t there to get their clients out of trouble

                  Their job is specifically to get their clients out of trouble.

                  • @PriorityMotif
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                    28 months ago

                    It’s to provide the best defense possible, there’s a difference.

                  • @[email protected]
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                    18 months ago

                    This should not be hard to understand.

                    The police find that man A kills man B. A is now the defendant in a criminal trial. The job of A’s lawyer is to introduce facts that improve the outcome of the trial. Sometimes, that’s fighting because there isn’t enough evidence available to assert that man A actually killed man B. Other times, it’s getting their client to plead guilty because it’s the easiest thing to do in a case that they’re guaranteed to lose. Other times, it’s to get a lesser sentence because B was abusive to A and A couldn’t escape. It could be that A was acting in self defense.

                    Removing all nuance and saying that the one and only goal is to get their clients out of trouble is incorrect. Not every defendant is guilty, and not every criminal needs the maximum punishment.