It’s not being more like China. It’s treating them the way they treat us.
So…acting like China acts is not being like China?
The same thing is often done
Did nobody ever teach you that two wrongs don’t make a right? Or about the Appeal To Tradition logical fallacy?
when other countries level a tariff against our products.
Which rock were you living under when Trump waged his stupid tariff war with China? Nothing good came from that bullshit, least of all for the working class people of both countries.
While it can certainly be argued that its ties to the government are problematic, it’s not Tiktok banning US platforms.
If Tiktok WAS banning platforms for xenophobic reasons (demonstrating intolerance), banning it for that would be prudent as per the paradox of tolerance linked above.
That isn’t the case, though. The US ban is an intolerant and oppressive violation of the freedom of expression of the users of Tiktok and, yes, even the owners.
Even if the oppressive Chinese government has a big influence on the platform, that influence hasn’t been proven to cause Tiktok to behave in an intolerant manner, so it’s basically a case of declaring guilt by association.
The US government could and SHOULD introduce regulations to minimize the amount of data collection and -sharing that Tiktok, Facebook, Twitter, Google and others currently get away with and then punish all transgressions against those regulations.
AKA regulate and punish bad behavior from anyone doing it, not banning a popular platform guilty only of what congress refuses to try to stop them and others from doing.
I also never said TikTok is banning U.S. platforms, either…
The US government could and SHOULD introduce regulations to minimize the amount of data collection and -sharing that Tiktok, Facebook, Twitter, Google and others currently get away with and then punish all transgressions against those regulations.
I also never said TikTok is banning U.S. platforms
What you DID say was that it’s ok to ban Tiktok because of the actions of China, namely the banning of some American platforms. That would only make any kind of legal sense if Tiktok indeed WAS China.
You claim that banning TikTok would make sense if TikTok was China. How would the U.S. “ban” China if not for banning Chinese private enterprises from U.S. markets?
Since you’re slow on the uptake, let me try an equivalent example.
Imagine that a UK-based social media based platform is banned im the US for some reason or the other.
Would that justify the UK banning Google?
The actions of the Chinese government are not the fault or responsibility of Tiktok and as such punishing Tiktok for them is by definition grotesquely unjust.
…Yes? It’s called a trade war, they happen all the time, and that’s exactly what would go down. What else do you expect them to do, nothing? (They usually end when a bilateral free trade agreement is established between the two parties that covers the industries in question.)
punishing Tiktok for them is by definition grotesquely unjust.
Oh no, my poor little $200 billion corporation! I must spend my days fighting for your justice!
Seriously, how do you expect people to react to that? How could anyone possibly give the smallest fuck about a faceless, soulless corporation unless they have a significant stake in it?
I don’t give a fuck about Tiktok the corporation. I do, on the other hand, give a fuck about the users of the platform. Especially the ones using it for activism.
So…acting like China acts is not being like China?
Did nobody ever teach you that two wrongs don’t make a right? Or about the Appeal To Tradition logical fallacy?
Which rock were you living under when Trump waged his stupid tariff war with China? Nothing good came from that bullshit, least of all for the working class people of both countries.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
That doesn’t apply here since Tiktok isn’t being intolerant. The Chinese and US governments are.
It’s not “being like China” so long as the U.S. does not seek to ban platforms from countries that do not ban U.S.-owned platforms.
The freedom of information should absolutely be bilateral between states, otherwise the permissive state cedes undue influence to the restrictive one.
Again, Tiktok ≠ China.
While it can certainly be argued that its ties to the government are problematic, it’s not Tiktok banning US platforms.
If Tiktok WAS banning platforms for xenophobic reasons (demonstrating intolerance), banning it for that would be prudent as per the paradox of tolerance linked above.
That isn’t the case, though. The US ban is an intolerant and oppressive violation of the freedom of expression of the users of Tiktok and, yes, even the owners.
Even if the oppressive Chinese government has a big influence on the platform, that influence hasn’t been proven to cause Tiktok to behave in an intolerant manner, so it’s basically a case of declaring guilt by association.
The US government could and SHOULD introduce regulations to minimize the amount of data collection and -sharing that Tiktok, Facebook, Twitter, Google and others currently get away with and then punish all transgressions against those regulations.
AKA regulate and punish bad behavior from anyone doing it, not banning a popular platform guilty only of what congress refuses to try to stop them and others from doing.
Point to where I said TikTok = China lmao
I also never said TikTok is banning U.S. platforms, either…
Yes.
What you DID say was that it’s ok to ban Tiktok because of the actions of China, namely the banning of some American platforms. That would only make any kind of legal sense if Tiktok indeed WAS China.
Dude, what?
You claim that banning TikTok would make sense if TikTok was China. How would the U.S. “ban” China if not for banning Chinese private enterprises from U.S. markets?
Since you’re slow on the uptake, let me try an equivalent example.
Imagine that a UK-based social media based platform is banned im the US for some reason or the other.
Would that justify the UK banning Google?
The actions of the Chinese government are not the fault or responsibility of Tiktok and as such punishing Tiktok for them is by definition grotesquely unjust.
…Yes? It’s called a trade war, they happen all the time, and that’s exactly what would go down. What else do you expect them to do, nothing? (They usually end when a bilateral free trade agreement is established between the two parties that covers the industries in question.)
Oh no, my poor little $200 billion corporation! I must spend my days fighting for your justice!
Seriously, how do you expect people to react to that? How could anyone possibly give the smallest fuck about a faceless, soulless corporation unless they have a significant stake in it?
I don’t give a fuck about Tiktok the corporation. I do, on the other hand, give a fuck about the users of the platform. Especially the ones using it for activism.