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The article describes the referenced court case, and the artist’s views and intentions.
Personally, I both loved and hated the idea at first. The more I think about it, the more I find it valuable in some way.
Then explain why exactly is this not sexist? A good litmus test for such things is to replace the group in question with Jews. If it sounds antisemitic, you might have an *ism going on.
So let’s do that “Jew sued art gallery for being denied entry in a non-jew only exhibition”. Sounds pretty antisemitic, right?
It is sexist. That’s the point of the exhibit. The exclusion is the point.
I believe the artist explained it in court by saying that it allows men to feel the exclusion that women feel regularly. Many professions, clubs, and networking spaces were closed to women until very recently.
If men feel excluded from the exhibit, they are understanding how women feel being excluded from other spaces. The men are experiencing the art exactly how the artist intends.
And no you can’t just replace a word with “jew” as a good litmus test. If I replace “hamburgers” in the sentence “put some hamburgers on the barbecue”, it would sound insane. But it’s actually a normal sentence.
Actually, you could make a good copy of this exhibition by making it “Jewish people only”. Then everyone else would understand that exclusion.
The key difference is that a) the sexism criticized by the artist is already illegal and b) (this might be a revelation for some people) hamburgers are not people, Jews are people.
Even if you did a Jews only club, that would be illegal - and rightly so.
Sexism exists whether or not it’s illegal. The US House of Representatives is 29% women. The Senate is 25% women. There has never been a female US President.
Australia, where the exhibit happened has had one female PM for 3 years relatively recently. They have a greater percentage of female Representatives and Senators, just recently.
Also, it is legal in the English speaking world: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/mar/18/garrick-club-men-only-members-list-roll-call-british-establishment
Equallity of outcome does not equal equallity of oppertunity.
2 things:
Because men totally never feel left out or others in their lives, this is the only place they’ll ever feel that. Fucking garbage excuse for sexism.
It’s not just the artists art she’s locking behind this sexist wall, which is the exact dick move that she’s butthurt about from checks notes 60 years ago at this museum. If she was depriving men of her own art that’s one thing, but the article clearly states original Picasso’s are in the room.
It’s incredibly fucking dickheaded to hide another, frankly more popular and actually cared about, artists work from people due to something they can’t control. I get that’s the point she’s making, but it doesn’t teach men something they don’t already know: it just makes her the asshole, big-time. It almost certainly will convince more people online who hear about this that her point is total bullshit and she’s some “stupid man hating count” or something, too, which is nice
I initially had some of these thoughts, reflection changed my mind a bit. I’m not trying to change yours, but I think some people will benefit from this.
I am not much into art and most of it is lost on me, but the more I considered the feeling I had thinking about the restriction, the more I appreciated the fact that she can cause affects across without boundaries just by the stunt.
This would probably be less cool if it wasn’t intended to be about a civil rights awareness thing. There’s a limit for me on how far you can go before the justification isn’t enough for the negative affects of the action, but I don’t think anyone will really be hurt by this exhibit.
Yes, I believe that’s the point. This other guy is acting like she walked up to him and kicked him square in the nuts. He’s pissed about an exhibit he will never visit, in a country he has probably never been to.
Art is a visual, audio, or performance medium that is intended to make you feel an emotion. This art works really well at eliciting the correct emotions: anger and exclusion because of sexism. Lots of people actually have their bodies forcing the emotion on them.
This reminds me of another piece of art: a crank that you turn on a machine so pennies pop out. It’s tuned so that it releases pennies at the rate of minimum wage (one penny every 5 seconds). You can keep the pennies.
When people first encounter it, they experience a little bit of joy at the free money. They crank out a few pennies. Then they experience dissatisfaction when they realize how long you have to crank it to get any real money. It’s a great way to teach people who have never worked for minimum wage how crappy it is.
Wow, that’s a good one, thanks for the mention.
You have a choice on if you want to engage in art u dont have to look at something if u dont want. Denying someone access to work that someone else wants seen who does not support your mission/application is taking away your right to consent. I dont take away ur ability to consent then forcefully make you engage with my artwork.
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So, if I say that sexism is not good, even in art, then I say sexism doesn’t exist and am therefore an asshole? Well, in that case I propose that whatever group you feel attached to should be denied access to any healthcare, and if you think that’s any form of *ism than I say you’re stupid. That does look very weird, does it?
You fundamentally don’t understand the issue here. You have your gut feeling of “sexism against women bad, art good”, which is not even wrong in principle, but you take that to the extreme by saying “every art roughly aiming in the general direction of sexism is good” - and that’s bad. Even worse is, that you accuse everyone who disagrees of being the most vile sexist ever.
What?
What does healthcare have to do with it? Denying healthcare is never art, in my opinion.
It’s art to me. Are you the authority on art now?
Denying healthcare is art to you? Seriously? Hahahaha I’ve always hated modern so called art but that really takes the cake. You’re not even trying to make the slightest bit of sense lol
I’m trying to show you the limits of your argument. And you don’t even see it.
You might as well complain that learning about slavery hurts the feelings of white children. Women will talk about and argue against sexism snd misogyny and your complaints will only serve to remind us that our talk is justified and necessary.
The equivalent would be to enslave white children to show them what slavery is.
Seriously, why do you think it’s okay to discriminate against people as retaliation? How do you think that helps anyone? Do you really think, a misogynist will stand in front of this art gallery and reflect whether women might actually be real humans after all? What’s happening is, that a bunch of selfrighteous pseudo-intellectuals will jerk each other off on how progressive and artsy they are, and a bunch of actual misogynists have even more fuel for their crowd to stoke their hate. Wow. What a win for everyone involved. Alienation of former allies and even more hate. A true victory.