First Commission report on real-world CO2 emissions of cars and vans using data from on-board fuel consumption monitoring devices
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Today, the Commission published its first report on the real-world CO2 emissions of new passenger cars and vans. The report is based on data collected in 2021 from fuel consumption monitors installed on-board of these vehicles.

cross-posted from: https://feddit.it/post/6569904

EDIT: the article is from the European Commission. This thing comes from a serious study based on hard facts and data. Check this comment by @wooster, who reported the data

It’s not a typo: plug-in hybrids are used, in real word cases, with ICE much more than anticipated.

In the EU, fuel consumption monitoring devices are required on new cars. They studied over 10% of all cars sold in 2021 and turns out they use way more fuel, and generate way more CO2, than anybody thought.

The gap means that CO2 emissions reduction objectives from transport will be more difficult to reach.

Thruth is, we need less cars, not “better” cars.

  • @ObsidianZedEnglish
    11•8 months ago

    I never understood the desire for hybrids. Isn’t that twice the technology that requires maintaining?

    • BoozillaEnglish
      11•8 months ago

      Transition from an old tech with 100+ years of development over to a new tech with decades of development. Electric cars as a concept had been around just as long, but not really developed. People were uncomfortable with the range of all-electric cars for a while. Today there’s no reason to use a hybrid, IMHO.

      • @[email protected]English
        9•8 months ago

        Electric cars are more expensive and the infrastructure to charge them isn’t as ubiquitous as gas stations.

        • HanrahanOPEnglish
          2•7 months ago

          I have an electric power outlet in my home, I do not have a gas station. All the homes around me are similarly equipped, based on that, car charging infrastruxture is MUCH more widespread

          As ecar owners have opined to me, the best fast chargers are 100miles from your home, because you don’t need them at or near your home.

          That said I don’t own an ecar, or an ice car because fuck cars. Cars are the problem.

        • @[email protected]MEnglish
          2•8 months ago

          electric bikes a bad ass, just get a bike trailer . good for most stuff you use car for. you can produce your own electricity with just a couple panels at home to charge it. 10x-100x the efficiency of electric cars

          • @[email protected]English
            3•8 months ago

            I’m not taking an electric bike 45 miles to work lol I don’t ride a bike period around here. There are no bike lanes, everyone drives like shit in brodozers, and way to many bicyclists get killed and maimed every year. I wouldn’t mind a bike for going to the small town I live by, but I’m not dying to some shit head driving a truck that’s never been off of pavement.

    • Semi-Hemi-Demigod
      7•8 months ago

      Electric drivetrains are incredibly durable. They basically have one moving part - the rotor in the electric motor. Everything else is wiring and if it’s done correctly and not damaged it’ll last as long as the wiring in your house. Plus, the regenerative braking in the hybrid means that your brakes will last longer, and the engine has less stress on it so those components last a little longer, too.

      My parents had one of the first 100 Priuses imported into the US and it lasted for 15 years with no major maintenance issues until my niece totaled it in a crash. If that hadn’t happened I think it would still be on the road.

    • BirdEnjoyer
      3•8 months ago

      I had a family member with a hybrid years ago, (but it was a more standard gas with a bonus battery setup) and who drove a ton for work.

      The gas mileage was fantastic, and they weren’t limited by the range of electric.

      Extra maintenance wasn’t really a problem, it just cost a bit more when it did come up. But, again, gas savings were worth it, so take this anecdote for what its worth.

    • @satanmatEnglish
      2•8 months ago

      Well the short version is yes.

      But since Americans are generally resistant to change; hybrids are one option to move people towards better options like electric…

      But YES it has more bits to maintain, and still uses gasoline… but it is a step in the right direction…

      Next fight is fewer cars and electric vehicles

    • @[email protected]English
      1•8 months ago

      Hybrids do involve extra parts, but the wear/tear is split across the drivetrains to an extent.

      Think if you have a set of regular “all season” tires and a set of winter tires. You have twice as many tires but the wear is split across the sets.

      Of course you aren’t splitting it to that degree, but you aren’t just wearing 2x the parts either. In particularly, the Toyota hybrid system at least has been proven to be highly reliable. Part of this is the highly reliable transmission (eCVT) they use and some other parts (like the traditional starter motor) that aren’t needed.

      This article explains it a little: https://inhabitat.com/hybrids-are-more-reliable-than-gas-cars-in-recent-report/