Youve offered no concrete ways forward, however, so Ill say for the millionth time the same: pursue direct action in any means by which u are able, establish systems of mutual aid (preferably very local), vote bc its the least u can do and your wellbeing does depend on it, and make friends and spread these ideas anywhere and everywhere.
What’s fun about Malcom is that it’s as much a personal directive to his listeners as it is an ultimatum to policy makers and centrists: “either you give us the liberty we demand, or we’ll take the only action you’ve left us”.
He certainly did encourage his listeners to vote, but not for ‘the lesser evil’. He wanted them to wield their vote to force change. He was a revolutionary who believed that liberty would never be given unless forced, and if the peaceful option was not provided to them, then it justified any and all actions against an oppressor.
IT’S FREEDOM FOR EVERYBODY OR IT’S FREEDOM FOR NOBODY.
That certainly doesn’t sound like voting for the lesser evil, if you ask me.
Again, theres a russian agent running. U get no change voting for anything other than the continuation of democracy in the country. You either get democracy, or u get the boot up ur ass. I choose the semblance of democracy we own. Why disparage others from this end?
Yes common troll tactics, deny everything, demand proof of even the most basic of facts. The man simped for putin every chance he got, we were warned by the Dutch (u know, actual allies) that cozy bear was hacking to aid and abet him, youve got the trump tower calls in 16. Its too exhausting to list it all, but thats what u count on, no? If anyone relied on plausable deniability half as much as numb nuts they would long be in jail for conspiracy against the US.
The Mueller investigation culminated with the Mueller report, which concluded that the Trump campaign welcomed Russian interference and expected to benefit from it. Though there was insufficient evidence of a criminal conspiracy, members of the campaign were indicted, including national security advisor Michael Flynn and the chair of the Trump presidential campaign, Paul Manafort.
Marx grasped this essence of capitalist democracy splendidly when, in analyzing the experience of the Commune, he said that the oppressed are allowed once every few years to decide which particular representatives of the oppressing class shall represent and repress them in parliament!
What a lazy way of dismissing something that you disagree with or otherwise don’t understand.
U get no change voting for anything other than the continuation of democracy in the country. You either get democracy, or u get the boot up ur ass. I choose the semblance of democracy we own. Why disparage others from this end?
This is like accusing a union that’s conducting a strike of intending for the company to go bankrupt.
You’re simply more afraid of loosing to Trump than you are indignant that your chosen politician is actively aiding a genocide. All Biden has to do to put both our concerns at ease is to cut off support to Israel’s genocide.
You don’t have to withhold your vote, but you also don’t have to actively stand in the way of those of use pushing for change, either.
You asked for a concrete way forward, and I’ve provided you one. Any civil rights leader in US history will tell you the same thing: no amount of liberty has ever been permitted without first being demanded, no freedom won without the risking life and limb. Find me a single instance of a civil rights leader saying we should settle for the lesser of evils and i’ll fuck off.
It would be one thing if you were simply not pushing for a cessation of Israeli military support, it’s another to fucking chastise those of us loudly making that demand. From where I stand, it’s you who is the troll.
“Nobody is free until everybody’s free” - Fannie Lou Hamer
“Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you’re a man, you take it.” - Malcom X
“No, no, we are not satisfied and we will not be satisfied until justice rolls down like waters and righteousness like a mighty stream” - MLK
“You deplore the demonstrations taking place in Birmingham. But your statement, I am sorry to say, fails to express a similar concern for the conditions that brought about the demonstrations” - MLK
“This struggle may be a moral one, or it may be a physical one, and it may be both moral and physical, but it must be a struggle. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will. Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them, and these will continue till they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress.” - Frederick Douglass
If you think me to be an extremist or a troll for siding with the civil rights leaders of history, then I’ll at least be content with the company.
Lol, u quote all these things and no concrete path forward is suggested in all of that. Just a bunch of patriotic individuals saying the same patriotic things we all here have known them to say, but its not even any of how they went about trying to furthertheir cause. Youve not said a relevant word here. Maybe learn some more about those figures u reference.
As stated, im here trying to spur leftists towards every course of action available to them, and u get mad bc i dont deny voting as important. Your ulterior motives are clear, im not wasting any more of my time on u today. I hope ive wasted time of urs youd spend being a negative little nancy on lemmy trying to spread doom and gloom instead of hope, solidarity, and action. But im sure solidarity is a dirty word in putins russia.
Lol, well inform me then, how did they go about it? Because the history I was taught was that they demanded it from those with power, not by quietly accepting the options provided for them but holding hostage what those people hold dear.
You listed all the important leftists praxis except the most important one: effective direct action. Protest. Strikes. Civil disobedience.
What’s fun about Malcom is that it’s as much a personal directive to his listeners as it is an ultimatum to policy makers and centrists: “either you give us the liberty we demand, or we’ll take the only action you’ve left us”.
He certainly did encourage his listeners to vote, but not for ‘the lesser evil’. He wanted them to wield their vote to force change. He was a revolutionary who believed that liberty would never be given unless forced, and if the peaceful option was not provided to them, then it justified any and all actions against an oppressor.
IT’S FREEDOM FOR EVERYBODY OR IT’S FREEDOM FOR NOBODY.
That certainly doesn’t sound like voting for the lesser evil, if you ask me.
Again, theres a russian agent running. U get no change voting for anything other than the continuation of democracy in the country. You either get democracy, or u get the boot up ur ass. I choose the semblance of democracy we own. Why disparage others from this end?
what proof do you have for that?
Yes common troll tactics, deny everything, demand proof of even the most basic of facts. The man simped for putin every chance he got, we were warned by the Dutch (u know, actual allies) that cozy bear was hacking to aid and abet him, youve got the trump tower calls in 16. Its too exhausting to list it all, but thats what u count on, no? If anyone relied on plausable deniability half as much as numb nuts they would long be in jail for conspiracy against the US.
The Mueller investigation culminated with the Mueller report, which concluded that the Trump campaign welcomed Russian interference and expected to benefit from it. Though there was insufficient evidence of a criminal conspiracy, members of the campaign were indicted, including national security advisor Michael Flynn and the chair of the Trump presidential campaign, Paul Manafort.
that doesn’t mean trump was involved
that’s not what i recall.
what’s that supposed to mean?
here’s a quote from a russian agent for you.
What a lazy way of dismissing something that you disagree with or otherwise don’t understand.
This is like accusing a union that’s conducting a strike of intending for the company to go bankrupt.
You’re simply more afraid of loosing to Trump than you are indignant that your chosen politician is actively aiding a genocide. All Biden has to do to put both our concerns at ease is to cut off support to Israel’s genocide.
You don’t have to withhold your vote, but you also don’t have to actively stand in the way of those of use pushing for change, either.
Have a fucking backbone.
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Who’s the troll in here?
You asked for a concrete way forward, and I’ve provided you one. Any civil rights leader in US history will tell you the same thing: no amount of liberty has ever been permitted without first being demanded, no freedom won without the risking life and limb. Find me a single instance of a civil rights leader saying we should settle for the lesser of evils and i’ll fuck off.
It would be one thing if you were simply not pushing for a cessation of Israeli military support, it’s another to fucking chastise those of us loudly making that demand. From where I stand, it’s you who is the troll.
If you think me to be an extremist or a troll for siding with the civil rights leaders of history, then I’ll at least be content with the company.
Lol, u quote all these things and no concrete path forward is suggested in all of that. Just a bunch of patriotic individuals saying the same patriotic things we all here have known them to say, but its not even any of how they went about trying to furthertheir cause. Youve not said a relevant word here. Maybe learn some more about those figures u reference.
As stated, im here trying to spur leftists towards every course of action available to them, and u get mad bc i dont deny voting as important. Your ulterior motives are clear, im not wasting any more of my time on u today. I hope ive wasted time of urs youd spend being a negative little nancy on lemmy trying to spread doom and gloom instead of hope, solidarity, and action. But im sure solidarity is a dirty word in putins russia.
Lol, well inform me then, how did they go about it? Because the history I was taught was that they demanded it from those with power, not by quietly accepting the options provided for them but holding hostage what those people hold dear.
You listed all the important leftists praxis except the most important one: effective direct action. Protest. Strikes. Civil disobedience.
That comment i pasted above for u included direct action. Obviously i support that. Why wouldnt i? As ive said, all avenues
Direct action is only effective if it threatens to harm the interests of those with power.
It hasnt escaped me that you haven’t named an effective direct action yourself.
you’re a good man