• @APassenger
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    9 months ago

    halt Russian advances

    This is my point. If Biden had an unlimited arsenal to send I think he would think twice about doing so.

    Because nukes. We aren’t disagreeing here, I don’t think.

    Regime change happens when Putin dies and it may not improve things. Trump is more likely to win than we are to see Putin toppled.

    Edit: I was never talking NATO boots on ground. That seems like fantasy when we’re struggling to provide them with ammo.

    • DigitalTraveler42
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      49 months ago

      It’s all such a tricky situation, we all know Putin isn’t going to deal in good faith, so you just have to kinda walk this tightrope, and that’s what Biden and NATO are doing, and why Ukraine wasn’t just brought into NATO already.

      Trump is more likely to win than we are to see Putin toppled.

      While you’re definitely right, that just means we still have a problem until Puty dies or gets dethroned, and once Puty dies it’s going to create quite the anxiety inducing power vacuum.

      • @APassenger
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        9 months ago

        Agree.

        My general opinion, at this point:

        • Ukraine has shown and singalled that without help, the lines will be moving in the wrong direction.

        • If they get their borders back (win), Russia will have a strong argument that the war was with the West, not just Ukraine. And I don’t know that Western politicians have the stomach for that kind of win, because the nuke thing, if nothing else.

        • The pols may be open to it, but even when there was less push back, I didn’t see the will to win. It was the will to not lose, and then trust Ukraine had what it took.

        • At this point I think we know that Russia and Ukraine will have a massive generation-size gap in their male populations. And at the end of this, absent significant help, will be a slow war of attrition with Russia moving lines often enough to matter.

        • Anything short of restoration or either historical border is a loss. At least of land and lives, if not other.

    • Neuromancer
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      -49 months ago

      Rumor is Putin has cancer. If so, he may not have long to live but they said that two years ago.