hey i’m not against what you’re trying to accomplish, and wouldn’t be surprised if it happens in the EU. i was just pointing out that 5 years isn’t long and 13 years is a long time in terms of consumer electronics.
Absolutely. I dont know why people downvoted you but thats the reason. Its also the reason why „seasonal trends“ were introduced in the fashion industry, the most disgusting waste producer on the planet iirc. source
depends on the use cases of course. you couldn’t edit 4k video but you could do a bunch of stuff still. but i personally don’t think apple would start letting you install linux on a 13 year old ipad unless the government forced them to.
Time moves forward. A LOT of jobs require newer tech. Don’t compare your needs to the needs of others. For you it may be the right choice to not upgrade. For others they may have no choice.
Besides, while certainly wasteful, we cannot expect any company to support hardware forever. That said, they should be willing to be friendly on service shutdown, giving more autonomy to the community when it happens.
First of all, function is not a reason for abandoning old stuff. If it still works, someone will maybe have use for it. More than the landfill anyway.
Secondly, nobody ever said anything about support. The rc car that was talked about doesnt need support, same with a laptop. Just the actively locked down device does. What does that tell you?
The vast majority of people do not need frequently upgraded devices for their jobs. The average person would see little change to their lives with a decade-old device.
Right now, companies such as meta stop supporting hardware after only a few years. That’s not reasonable at all, and we can expect companies to support hardware for much, much longer than they do. They’re raking in billions, I think they can afford it.
I never said a majority. I said a lot. You’re twisting things again with your own narrative. Technology isn’t the future, it is now. Video producers, editors, streamers, content producers, vtubers, game devs, programmers, web development, 3D software specialists including CAD, system analysts, composers, concept artists, environmental specialists, engineers, scientists in nearly every branch, I can literally keep going. Of these MAYBE two could get by with older systems. Newer tech, especially hardware, means more productivity. If you want to talk “majority”, then the majority of high-end users, the very people who develop and release the very technological and scientific advances, save a significant amount of time by upgrading.
Then you have others whose lives are not defined by technology in the same way. People who go to work daily. Who go shopping weekly. Who get frustrated, stressed, anxious, and concerned about so many issues over such a wide spectrum. They buy tech for entertainment. Hobbies that are the very same as the professionals above. Gamers who are often willing to wait and yet will need to upgrade regardless, in less than a decade.
The list goes on. Yes, companies can take the hit, for a while at least. Heck, I firmly believe they make too much as a rule. There is no way they would be able to, say, provide constant and consistent support for items years old. 5 years isn’t too bad. 7? Pushing it. 10? Unreasonable in many situations. So many more resources go into backend development, security, and any form of system update that it would boggle your mind, and I’ve only touched upon the sheer volume of work these things normally take.
Most people are not high end users of technology. I don’t see why you feel the need to say I’m twisting things around. It’s crazy to me that you’re defending these huge companies.
I am talking about consumer protections. 10 years is totally reasonable especially for the average consumer. I was just talking to a friend who is going to lose some support on their Nintendo DS lite, a console that still has an active community. The iPhone 6 is notoriously beloved. And there are tons of other older devices that people still use. You could probably go online shopping on a 10 year old refrigerator.
I don’t really care that it would take a lot of work. Do not give a shit. They can afford it, or restructure their business model until they can.
You‘re correct and the fact that apple makes devices that go that long is astonishing. But it still has nothing to do with the fact that they are bricking devices actively.
Btw, I have a laptop of the same age running perfectly fine on lubuntu. So its obvious which is better.
hey i’m not against what you’re trying to accomplish, and wouldn’t be surprised if it happens in the EU. i was just pointing out that 5 years isn’t long and 13 years is a long time in terms of consumer electronics.
Why do we see 13 years as a long time though? Because the corporations want us to. My laptop from 10 years ago still works perfectly fine.
Absolutely. I dont know why people downvoted you but thats the reason. Its also the reason why „seasonal trends“ were introduced in the fashion industry, the most disgusting waste producer on the planet iirc. source
depends on the use cases of course. you couldn’t edit 4k video but you could do a bunch of stuff still. but i personally don’t think apple would start letting you install linux on a 13 year old ipad unless the government forced them to.
Yeah, consumer protection laws would be the best course of action. I do hope the EU takes this on.
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/06/developers-get-linux-up-and-running-on-old-ipad-air-2-hardware/
Function. For so many things: Function.
Time moves forward. A LOT of jobs require newer tech. Don’t compare your needs to the needs of others. For you it may be the right choice to not upgrade. For others they may have no choice.
Besides, while certainly wasteful, we cannot expect any company to support hardware forever. That said, they should be willing to be friendly on service shutdown, giving more autonomy to the community when it happens.
First of all, function is not a reason for abandoning old stuff. If it still works, someone will maybe have use for it. More than the landfill anyway.
Secondly, nobody ever said anything about support. The rc car that was talked about doesnt need support, same with a laptop. Just the actively locked down device does. What does that tell you?
The vast majority of people do not need frequently upgraded devices for their jobs. The average person would see little change to their lives with a decade-old device.
Right now, companies such as meta stop supporting hardware after only a few years. That’s not reasonable at all, and we can expect companies to support hardware for much, much longer than they do. They’re raking in billions, I think they can afford it.
I never said a majority. I said a lot. You’re twisting things again with your own narrative. Technology isn’t the future, it is now. Video producers, editors, streamers, content producers, vtubers, game devs, programmers, web development, 3D software specialists including CAD, system analysts, composers, concept artists, environmental specialists, engineers, scientists in nearly every branch, I can literally keep going. Of these MAYBE two could get by with older systems. Newer tech, especially hardware, means more productivity. If you want to talk “majority”, then the majority of high-end users, the very people who develop and release the very technological and scientific advances, save a significant amount of time by upgrading.
Then you have others whose lives are not defined by technology in the same way. People who go to work daily. Who go shopping weekly. Who get frustrated, stressed, anxious, and concerned about so many issues over such a wide spectrum. They buy tech for entertainment. Hobbies that are the very same as the professionals above. Gamers who are often willing to wait and yet will need to upgrade regardless, in less than a decade.
The list goes on. Yes, companies can take the hit, for a while at least. Heck, I firmly believe they make too much as a rule. There is no way they would be able to, say, provide constant and consistent support for items years old. 5 years isn’t too bad. 7? Pushing it. 10? Unreasonable in many situations. So many more resources go into backend development, security, and any form of system update that it would boggle your mind, and I’ve only touched upon the sheer volume of work these things normally take.
Not all of it hard work.
Not all of it necessarily expensive work.
Just the sheer amount.
Most people are not high end users of technology. I don’t see why you feel the need to say I’m twisting things around. It’s crazy to me that you’re defending these huge companies.
I am talking about consumer protections. 10 years is totally reasonable especially for the average consumer. I was just talking to a friend who is going to lose some support on their Nintendo DS lite, a console that still has an active community. The iPhone 6 is notoriously beloved. And there are tons of other older devices that people still use. You could probably go online shopping on a 10 year old refrigerator.
I don’t really care that it would take a lot of work. Do not give a shit. They can afford it, or restructure their business model until they can.
You‘re correct and the fact that apple makes devices that go that long is astonishing. But it still has nothing to do with the fact that they are bricking devices actively.
Btw, I have a laptop of the same age running perfectly fine on lubuntu. So its obvious which is better.