While I personally believe that immigration is both humane and necessary for the aging western economies, I think it’s safe to say that the purely optimistic, citizenship first and questions later mentality has proven a failure.
Without rules and a culture that demands assimilation instead of parallel existence in a separate microcosm, the new citizens have difficulties identifying with the new social order they are moving into, and naturally little respect for it either. Not to mention that by corralling immigrants into ghettos the formation of parallel structures is encouraged and the native population alienated.
While I personally believe that immigration is both humane and necessary for the aging western economies,
Oh, wow. Instead of solving the problem where people don’t consider it plausible to have at least 2 children, let’s bring in more people from poorer countries.
Without rules and a culture that demands assimilation instead of parallel existence in a separate microcosm,
Yeah, see, it’s fine to have separate microcosms for any sane society. Just some are toxic.
It’s simply about education and, yes, not letting in people you don’t want.
Where did I say bring in the poors to clean our toilets? Obviously I would prefer a not capitalist system where people can afford to have kids, and immigration can mean a lot of things. I also said the current approach to immigration is failing. As for parallel societies, no, those shouldn’t exist and the fact that they do is the result of failed assimilation.
Also either you have one social space for everyone accepting of all ideas and views, or you have cultural wars marginalizing and suppressing people unpleasant for you (like racists or religious nuts or whoever), in which case they will have their own space because they don’t really have to accept your domination.
I think we are arguing semantics here, subcultures are fine and normal. Parallel societies, like those that form around ghettos full of immigrants, with their own unofficial set of laws and rules certainly are not.
That’s more a failure of the integration policies of the host country though.
While I personally believe that immigration is both humane and necessary for the aging western economies, I think it’s safe to say that the purely optimistic, citizenship first and questions later mentality has proven a failure.
Without rules and a culture that demands assimilation instead of parallel existence in a separate microcosm, the new citizens have difficulties identifying with the new social order they are moving into, and naturally little respect for it either. Not to mention that by corralling immigrants into ghettos the formation of parallel structures is encouraged and the native population alienated.
Oh, wow. Instead of solving the problem where people don’t consider it plausible to have at least 2 children, let’s bring in more people from poorer countries.
Yeah, see, it’s fine to have separate microcosms for any sane society. Just some are toxic.
It’s simply about education and, yes, not letting in people you don’t want.
Where did I say bring in the poors to clean our toilets? Obviously I would prefer a not capitalist system where people can afford to have kids, and immigration can mean a lot of things. I also said the current approach to immigration is failing. As for parallel societies, no, those shouldn’t exist and the fact that they do is the result of failed assimilation.
Every town ideally is a parallel society.
Also either you have one social space for everyone accepting of all ideas and views, or you have cultural wars marginalizing and suppressing people unpleasant for you (like racists or religious nuts or whoever), in which case they will have their own space because they don’t really have to accept your domination.
I think we are arguing semantics here, subcultures are fine and normal. Parallel societies, like those that form around ghettos full of immigrants, with their own unofficial set of laws and rules certainly are not.
That’s more a failure of the integration policies of the host country though.
Well, I think there’s Christiania in Copenhagen?.. A different kind of that.