Earlier today there was a post about rejecting Meta’s intrusion in the fediverse, some don’t see the danger in it or think it’s unlikely that Meta can do any damage to the fediverse.

Someone posted this in the comments and I think it’s extremely relevant and it deserves its own post so all can see it.

  • @[email protected]OP
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    21 year ago

    I honestly don’t know and wouldn’t dispute it, because at the time I was a small kid. I just went by what most people say online (including but not limited to this blog post)

    • @[email protected]
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      61 year ago

      Well, what this article says is relevant for a small subset of “geeks” when ICQ (or AIM etc) was dying, but many people still used it and similar services, so a simple IM of this kind was still accepted as normal, thus XMPP as the alternative.

      Normies (like me) were mostly on Skype or between ICQ (or AIM etc) and Skype. That is, that move to Skype was often spearheaded by “geeks”, after it was mostly over the more conservative people were “geeks” too, as it always happens.

      Frankly I’d say what hurt XMPP most was its adoption by various social networks being advertised as a selling point. Like “look, it’s a universal protocol, Google has it, Facebook has it, even ICQ had an undocumented XMPP endpoint for some periods of time when they were playing with it, … <I can add 2 Russian search and email providers and 1 social network to this list, and possibly plenty others> …”.

      So when those big proprietary services just decided they don’t want it, what’s described in the article happened. Basically XMPP enthusiasts made their bed and had to sleep in it. Only it shouldn’t have. Many “geeks” of that time were uncritically in awe of Google and Facebook etc, we seem to start forgetting this. People would defend dropping XMPP by them, would hope that these companies together would make some other universal protocol, make up all sorts of unbelievable bullshit to believe that all these companies are cool and big and making future.