the Oval Office doesn’t have start/stop genocide button
True, but it DOES have the option to stop supplying bombs that they know for a fact are being used to commit that genocide.
Your “either they can push a magic button or they’re doing all they can” dichotomy isn’t clever. It shows that you’re being either disingenuous, willfully ignorant or just extremely obtuse.
Because the problem is systematic
Yes, Israel is systematically wiping out the population of Gaza and the Biden White House is using the levers of the system to help them do it. That’s not an argument for not telling them to stop.
You can’t just uproot the US-Israel nexus that’s deeply entrenched in the US politics
You can, in fact. It worked with Apartheid South Africa, which the US also kept supporting way beyond the point that most other countries stopped, and it’ll work with THIS apartheid regime too.
They did use the stop vetoing resolutions button. Not much but it’s not nothing.
Sending their warships would mean Israel would try calling their bluff and force USA to commit an act of war to stop them, which would cause absolutely chaos in the region. They probably should start with sanctions though.
Biden’s biggest problem here is he’s so focused on backrooms negotiations, that he’s not using some of the options that could increase public pressure, and all other people see is old treaties continuing with very slow changes and seeing the continued actions of the other party who doesn’t really want to negotiate.
Gives ammo to GOP and their allies to target Biden and attract fence-sitters and unaware.
On the contrary. The majority of the population doesn’t approve of supporting genocide, especially Democrats and prospective Dem voters further left.
The status quo of supporting the genocide isn’t winning over anyone who would vote Republican if they stopped. It’s alienating millions of crucial voters who won’t vote at all if they DON’T stop.
We can easily agree that not voting is a bad idea that is likely to contribute to the risk of mango Mussolini winning.
Given that, we should be able to also agree that it’s a bad idea to knowingly keep doing something morally and ethically reprehensible that is causing people to do just that.
Makes it harder for Netanyahu to continue committing genocide.
Gives ammo to GOP and their allies to target Biden and attract fence-sitters and unaware.
We shouldn’t keep supporting genocide just because you’re scared of what the GOP might do. That’s a shitty reason for anything, and it’s disgusting cowardice in this context.
Is your position also that we need to endlessly discuss bidens position on Isreal during an election year? Or are there other issues that we need to address as americans?
Is your position also that we need to endlessly discuss bidens position on Isreal during an election year?
Such discussion becomes inevitable as long as he continues to support genocide. It’s one of the reasons he should stop. Thank you for letting me know that you have more of a problem with people talking about genocide than you do the genocide itself.
I have a problem with people obscuring trumps demented presidential run with shit we already knew about Biden in 2020. I voted in 2020s primary and it wasn’t for conservative lite. Elections have consequences and if you can’t live with those consequences what the fuck are you doing?
Gives ammo to GOP and their allies to target Biden and attract fence-sitters and unaware.
Should we also not support healthcare, trans rights, women’s rights, work reform , tax reform, climate change laws and all the other things they get angry at? The road to fascism is paved with political convenience.
“Oh, I’m so sorry, I’d love to stop the genocide, but think of the optics! It would be soooooooo optically bad if we stopped the genocide! It could make the fence sitters vote for trump! We all know the fence sitters love genocide!”
The Republican ship is sinking and a void will be opening for the next populist to unite the two ends of the horseshoe (extreme right and extreme left).
As far as I know, the Oval Office doesn’t have start/stop genocide button, or control inflation lever for that matter.
If it’s not going to be Biden, then it will be someone else. Either a Republican or a Democrat.
Even someone who earlier looked promising, eg Fetterman is a staunch Israel supporter.
Because the problem is systematic. You can’t just uproot the US-Israel nexus that’s deeply entrenched in the US politics.
True, but it DOES have the option to stop supplying bombs that they know for a fact are being used to commit that genocide.
Your “either they can push a magic button or they’re doing all they can” dichotomy isn’t clever. It shows that you’re being either disingenuous, willfully ignorant or just extremely obtuse.
Yes, Israel is systematically wiping out the population of Gaza and the Biden White House is using the levers of the system to help them do it. That’s not an argument for not telling them to stop.
You can, in fact. It worked with Apartheid South Africa, which the US also kept supporting way beyond the point that most other countries stopped, and it’ll work with THIS apartheid regime too.
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There’s no Palestinian Mandela. Just because Israel is also an apartheid state doesn’t mean that it’s identical to South Africa at the time.
Also, that wasn’t an analogy, it was another historical example of how you don’t end apartheid by supporting it.
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It has a stop paying for genocide button.
It has a stop vetoing UN resolutions button.
It has an impose sanctions button and a freeze assets button.
It has a pull their warships out button.
It has dozens of make life really uncomfortable for Israel if it doesn’t fucking stop committing genocide buttons.
But at the very least it could stop actively helping them commit genocide.
They did use the stop vetoing resolutions button. Not much but it’s not nothing.
Sending their warships would mean Israel would try calling their bluff and force USA to commit an act of war to stop them, which would cause absolutely chaos in the region. They probably should start with sanctions though.
Biden’s biggest problem here is he’s so focused on backrooms negotiations, that he’s not using some of the options that could increase public pressure, and all other people see is old treaties continuing with very slow changes and seeing the continued actions of the other party who doesn’t really want to negotiate.
I mean withdraw their ships already in the area, replace that layer of defense with, oh I dunno, thoughts and prayers maybe.
You’re one the types that demand we leave Iraq and then gets upset when we have to face the consequences of doing it.
They also claimed that the resolution is non-binding, which is contrary to stated international law.
And what does that do?
Gives ammo to GOP and their allies to target Biden and attract fence-sitters and unaware.
These things don’t happen in a vacuum.
Biden isn’t rubbing his hands with glee and laughing maniacally.
Do you honestly think these options weren’t considered over the last six months?
On the contrary. The majority of the population doesn’t approve of supporting genocide, especially Democrats and prospective Dem voters further left.
The status quo of supporting the genocide isn’t winning over anyone who would vote Republican if they stopped. It’s alienating millions of crucial voters who won’t vote at all if they DON’T stop.
We can easily agree that not voting is a bad idea that is likely to contribute to the risk of mango Mussolini winning.
Given that, we should be able to also agree that it’s a bad idea to knowingly keep doing something morally and ethically reprehensible that is causing people to do just that.
Makes it harder for Netanyahu to continue committing genocide.
We shouldn’t keep supporting genocide just because you’re scared of what the GOP might do. That’s a shitty reason for anything, and it’s disgusting cowardice in this context.
What happens when your high morals cost American lives here at home? You’ll learn a lot about cowardice when living under authoritarian rule.
In before, “just have a bloody war.”
I did not suggest voting for Trump or not voting for Biden.
I said that Biden should stop supporting genocide.
Is your position also that we need to endlessly discuss bidens position on Isreal during an election year? Or are there other issues that we need to address as americans?
Such discussion becomes inevitable as long as he continues to support genocide. It’s one of the reasons he should stop. Thank you for letting me know that you have more of a problem with people talking about genocide than you do the genocide itself.
I have a problem with people obscuring trumps demented presidential run with shit we already knew about Biden in 2020. I voted in 2020s primary and it wasn’t for conservative lite. Elections have consequences and if you can’t live with those consequences what the fuck are you doing?
We could also talk about how we still don’t have Medicare for All yet if you’d want.
The fact that he’s supporting genocide with our tax dollars seems very relevant though. Trump and Bush never even did that
Should we also not support healthcare, trans rights, women’s rights, work reform , tax reform, climate change laws and all the other things they get angry at? The road to fascism is paved with political convenience.
I’m worried that’ll be their next strategy considering their pivot strong right on immigration
Most of those things are a part of the democrats platform. Isreal is categorically different.
“Oh, I’m so sorry, I’d love to stop the genocide, but think of the optics! It would be soooooooo optically bad if we stopped the genocide! It could make the fence sitters vote for trump! We all know the fence sitters love genocide!”
I didn’t say “stop genocide”. I said “stop supporting genocide.”
That’s a distinction that shows you understand nuance. Unfortunately your position does not suggest the same.
My position being that Biden should stop supporting genocide.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Israel_in_the_2023_Israel–Hamas_war
They indeed have the stop button but it’s not the one they are pressing.
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Thanks for the heads up, Nostradamus.