Edit: obligatory explanation (thanks mods for squaring me away)…

What you see via the UI isn’t “all that exists”. Unlike Reddit, where everything is a black box, there are a lot more eyeballs who can see “under the hood”. Any instance admin, proper or rogue, gets a ton of information that users won’t normally see. The attached example demonstrates that while users will only see upvote/downvote tallies, admins can see who actually performed those actions.

Edit: To clarify, not just YOUR instance admin gets this info. This is ANY instance admin across the Fediverse.

  • IcebladeEnglish
    1•1 year ago

    This is Lemmy, not hexbear, beehaw or similar forums. I’ve had experience with other platforms removing “downvotes” (or their version of it). Sometimes it works, but oftentimes it doesn’t.

    We can go a lot further into this discussion, but I’ll summarize my opinion as follows:

    Neither having nor not having downvotes is “right”. They’re just different - and lead to different types of forums and discussions. I prefer the former, because in many topics that I want to discuss, they provide important feedback (both to me and others), even if you perceive that this feedback comes at a cost.

    If you like, we can elaborate further, but I think it comes down to Beehaw ( & co.) and Lemmy being different platforms, which is a good thing. The world would be a very dreary place if everything was the same - and this is something that corporations are constantly pushing us towards.

    • Move to lemm.eeEnglish
      5•1 year ago

      All of those are lemmy, it seems like you don’t understand what lemmy is? Lemmy is software, all 3 of these sites use Lemmy. Several instances of lemmy have no downvotes at all, the environment in them is better and much more enjoyable for everyone involved. Everyone that experiences this comes around to it.

      Read some research on the topic, the issue is that these systems have multiple negative cumulative effects: https://arxiv.org/abs/1405.1429

      The fact of the matter is that downvotes DON’T improve a community. They create feedback anxiety in positive posters that reduces their activity, while in negative posters it increases their activity and decreases the quality of their future posts. It creates the literal opposite result of what you want in a community. Positive feedback on the other hand generally has no effect on behaviour. These are objective facts.

      • @[email protected]English
        2•1 year ago

        That’s actually rather interesting. It’s good to see a justification of why places like Beehaw disallow downvotes. I can sort of understand how this relates to YouTube removing downvotes as well, though maybe this shouldn’t be applied to videos that are a potentially more damaging medium.

        • Move to lemm.eeEnglish
          2•1 year ago

          Youtube likely has never used downvotes as any sort of metric for algorithm so their removal of them is entirely about user behaviour, based on research like this. Their algorithm work will be pretty much 100% derived from what keeps people watching the most and longest and what keeps the ad clickers clicking ads. They will be completely zoned in on total activity and profit. Not quality. This is unfortunately also why outrage content and debatebro reaction drama is all the boom regardless of its obvious harm socially.