I don’t see how I’m being dishonest. I have not claimed to provide any evidence, I’m just trying to explain why what you’re saying is not actually concrete evidence. You said all of your arguments are proof that a creator doesn’t exist when they are just arguments that a very specific kind of god does not exist. I have made no statements about what kind of creator does exist, but you keep arguing that this “skydaddy” doesn’t exist because of characteristics that you are assuming about it. If there is an accepted description of a creator or creators that I’m missing please educate me because I have never heard of a singular definition that everyone agrees is the correct definition of a creator.
Maybe the universe has just always been, I don’t see why that couldn’t be the case. Maybe the universe began out of an absolute void, I don’t see any evidence that can prove otherwise. Maybe the universe was created by a being that exists beyond it, I have no evidence to disprove it. You don’t have to believe any of these theories. You don’t have to believe any other theory about it either.
But to assert so certainly that one of these theories is incorrect is a faith-based assertion because there is not concrete, proven, tested, logical evidence that says one of these theories is less plausible than another.
You said no evidence is ever provided. I gave you evidence. I am positive others have as well. You decided that it doesn’t count and thus never get any. Evidence doesn’t have to be defeating to exist even bad evidence is still evidence.
But to assert so certainly that one of these theories is incorrect is a faith-based assertion because there is not concrete, proven, tested, logical evidence that says one of these theories is less plausible than another.
No. I already explained this to you. If you want your diest skydaddy provide evidence.
And if your statement that no god could possibly exist because one concept of a god is nonsensical, then my evidence that an intelligent creator exists is that the second law of thermodynamics states that matter and energy settle into systems of lesser complexity, not greater complexity, which is the opposite of how the theory of evolution works. Dirt evolving into simple single celled life forms and progressively getting more and more complex until fully fledged multi-celled organisms, and ones with sentience at that, violates the law of entropy. I don’t personally think this evidence is rock-solid since it all depends on how wide the scope of your defined system is, but if “skydaddy doesn’t exist because children die of cancer” is your argument against the possibility of an intelligent creator, I don’t see why this evidence is any less valid.
Faith is the belief in what you don’t have evidence for. It is never knowledge. At best you can happen to be correct but never claim to know.
Pedantic I know. The second law doesn’t state that. It tells you that the entropy doesn’t go down for the universe. The universe is getting more complex not less. Because complexity is proportional to the time derivative of entropy. It tells you nothing about what happened prior to the Big Bang, or if prior has any meaning. If you could model entropy of a given universe by t^3 the complexity would follow 3kt^2. You will notice that as t rises (time passes) both values go up, not at the same rate but they both increase.
Take a drop of black ink and put it on a wet page. Take pictures of it over time. First one is pretty simple, easy to compress, not complicated at all. Later pictures are a rainbow very hard to describe, very complex, hard to compress. Eventually your whole page is a blur of colors and you will notice it isn’t getting any more complicated. Entropy is now changing very slowly which means complexity is changing even slower than that. I am mentioning this because it is an easy to replicate thing you could do now vs abstract things or expensive things.
Entropy rises and things get less orderly and they require more information to describe and they become more complex. As I said proportional to the derivative. Which is why we should see complexity take off in early universe and start leveling off. You know the exact result we do see.
You need to stop getting your talking points off intelligent design blogs. Even if entropy did work that way it wouldn’t mean jack and shit to evolution. Earth is not an isolated system. It orbits this freaken low entropy star blasting energy at it and has been for billions of years. Even if the complexity of the universe was going lower there could still be areas getting more. You can also see this in human society. I assume you are willing to admit that our technology and economic systems has gotten more complex over time. How is that possible under your, less than conventional, understanding of entropy?
Do you really think if you were right the various scientific authorities would have missed something this obvious? Statistical mechanics of gases and energy transfer was the major development of physics of the 19th century. The wrote thick tombs on entropy and kinetic gas laws. And yet no one noticed the most famous biologist of all time was dead wrong? You are acting like this was all figured out last week when they were really still using leaches and telegrams. And no one freaken noticed except the Christian apologists who got degrees from a diploma mill?
Really? All these Biology majors forced to take a section on thermo in school didn’t make this connection? Not a single physicists stepped out of their lane to point this out?
Even if you could disprove evolution is how we got there you haven’t proven your skydaddy. Demonstrating a gap in our knowledge doesn’t mean you get to put your god there.
I don’t see how I’m being dishonest. I have not claimed to provide any evidence, I’m just trying to explain why what you’re saying is not actually concrete evidence. You said all of your arguments are proof that a creator doesn’t exist when they are just arguments that a very specific kind of god does not exist. I have made no statements about what kind of creator does exist, but you keep arguing that this “skydaddy” doesn’t exist because of characteristics that you are assuming about it. If there is an accepted description of a creator or creators that I’m missing please educate me because I have never heard of a singular definition that everyone agrees is the correct definition of a creator.
Maybe the universe has just always been, I don’t see why that couldn’t be the case. Maybe the universe began out of an absolute void, I don’t see any evidence that can prove otherwise. Maybe the universe was created by a being that exists beyond it, I have no evidence to disprove it. You don’t have to believe any of these theories. You don’t have to believe any other theory about it either. But to assert so certainly that one of these theories is incorrect is a faith-based assertion because there is not concrete, proven, tested, logical evidence that says one of these theories is less plausible than another.
You said no evidence is ever provided. I gave you evidence. I am positive others have as well. You decided that it doesn’t count and thus never get any. Evidence doesn’t have to be defeating to exist even bad evidence is still evidence.
No. I already explained this to you. If you want your diest skydaddy provide evidence.
Is any form of faith valid?
And if your statement that no god could possibly exist because one concept of a god is nonsensical, then my evidence that an intelligent creator exists is that the second law of thermodynamics states that matter and energy settle into systems of lesser complexity, not greater complexity, which is the opposite of how the theory of evolution works. Dirt evolving into simple single celled life forms and progressively getting more and more complex until fully fledged multi-celled organisms, and ones with sentience at that, violates the law of entropy. I don’t personally think this evidence is rock-solid since it all depends on how wide the scope of your defined system is, but if “skydaddy doesn’t exist because children die of cancer” is your argument against the possibility of an intelligent creator, I don’t see why this evidence is any less valid.
Faith is the belief in what you don’t have evidence for. It is never knowledge. At best you can happen to be correct but never claim to know.
Pedantic I know. The second law doesn’t state that. It tells you that the entropy doesn’t go down for the universe. The universe is getting more complex not less. Because complexity is proportional to the time derivative of entropy. It tells you nothing about what happened prior to the Big Bang, or if prior has any meaning. If you could model entropy of a given universe by t^3 the complexity would follow 3kt^2. You will notice that as t rises (time passes) both values go up, not at the same rate but they both increase.
Take a drop of black ink and put it on a wet page. Take pictures of it over time. First one is pretty simple, easy to compress, not complicated at all. Later pictures are a rainbow very hard to describe, very complex, hard to compress. Eventually your whole page is a blur of colors and you will notice it isn’t getting any more complicated. Entropy is now changing very slowly which means complexity is changing even slower than that. I am mentioning this because it is an easy to replicate thing you could do now vs abstract things or expensive things.
Entropy rises and things get less orderly and they require more information to describe and they become more complex. As I said proportional to the derivative. Which is why we should see complexity take off in early universe and start leveling off. You know the exact result we do see.
You need to stop getting your talking points off intelligent design blogs. Even if entropy did work that way it wouldn’t mean jack and shit to evolution. Earth is not an isolated system. It orbits this freaken low entropy star blasting energy at it and has been for billions of years. Even if the complexity of the universe was going lower there could still be areas getting more. You can also see this in human society. I assume you are willing to admit that our technology and economic systems has gotten more complex over time. How is that possible under your, less than conventional, understanding of entropy?
Do you really think if you were right the various scientific authorities would have missed something this obvious? Statistical mechanics of gases and energy transfer was the major development of physics of the 19th century. The wrote thick tombs on entropy and kinetic gas laws. And yet no one noticed the most famous biologist of all time was dead wrong? You are acting like this was all figured out last week when they were really still using leaches and telegrams. And no one freaken noticed except the Christian apologists who got degrees from a diploma mill?
Really? All these Biology majors forced to take a section on thermo in school didn’t make this connection? Not a single physicists stepped out of their lane to point this out?
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