This is a big issue with people who have just joined the movement. They think everybody who lacks their passion is an enemy, without realizing that some of us have been here quite awhile and have discovered that accusing everybody we don’t like of being a Zionist hurts more Palestinian people than it helps.
Take the criticism and do better and stop being a narcissist. This is about liberating the people, not you feeling good.
Good. Could you stop being a defeatist and counterfactual doomer, then?
This is a big issue with people who have just joined the movement
I’ve been Pro-Palestine since I first learned about the conflict in the mid-90s. Pro-BSD since I first heard about BSD a couple decades ago. I’d hardly call that “just joined”.
accusing everybody we don’t like of being a Zionist hurts more Palestinian people than it helps.
That part is true. Dismissing something that would be a complete game changer by claiming that it would make zero difference hurts the cause as well, though. Some would argue much more.
Take the criticism and do better
Right back at you, doomer.
stop being a narcissist.
Where the fuck did THAT come from??
Vehemently disagreeing with your incorrect take does not equal anything even remotely approaching something that could be mistaken for narcissism in good faith.
I don’t believe you know what a doomer is, and your insistence on calling people that after being called out for hurling accusations of Zionism leads me to believe you are just using the word to mean Zionist without actually having to reflect on why you and I are at odds despite the fact that we hold the same beliefs.
A person with a pessimistic outlook on life. [A doomer] feels a sense of helplessness and aimlessness
Your claim would qualify as such pathological pessimism.
Nobody except someone who’s either a Zionist defending the weapons shipments or extremely pessimistic would make such a wild claim in good faith.
leads me to believe you are just using the word to mean Zionist
Nope, see above.
why you and I are at odds despite the fact that we hold the same beliefs.
Perhaps because you keep ridiculously insisting that one of the important steps to stop what we both abhor wouldn’t matter? That would tend to put people with similar beliefs and/or goals at odds with each other.
it may fundamentally be an issue of behavior
True. I’m fast running out of reasons to believe a word of what you say, since you’re being so obtuse that it’s almost a given that it’s willful by now.
Well I’m not a pessimist, I feel no sense of helplessness and in response to claims of aimlessness, I actually think that kind of is what my problem with your words have been. Aimless and unhelpful, mostly to the Palestinian people.
This is my issue. You are allowed to just lie about others and pretend its saving lives, while you would never grant me access to that same behavior. This is the narcissism I was talking about.
@[email protected] can’t go down two posts about Palestine without calling someone a Zionist. It’s impossible to have any discourse with these people because they aren’t interested in facts as much as they are interested in grandstanding.
@[email protected] can’t go down two posts about Palestine without calling someone a Zionist
That’s completely false. I might sometimes call out someone who’s acting like a Zionist but isn’t one, since I’m not a mind reader, but yours is a completely unfair accusation designed to discredit me and make yourself look better in comparison.
it’s impossible to have any discourse with these people
Stereotype much?
they aren’t interested in facts as much as they are interested in grandstanding.
I suspect this person is like some of the users on .ml (core and boomer, for instance) who are clearly being paid by somebody to do what they are doing.
I’m starting to think about you’re a troll at this point. The amount of pivoting in your posts is unreal. Just like the way you ignored my two other links in the post I referred you to.
I’m not a Zionist.
This is a big issue with people who have just joined the movement. They think everybody who lacks their passion is an enemy, without realizing that some of us have been here quite awhile and have discovered that accusing everybody we don’t like of being a Zionist hurts more Palestinian people than it helps.
Take the criticism and do better and stop being a narcissist. This is about liberating the people, not you feeling good.
Good. Could you stop being a defeatist and counterfactual doomer, then?
I’ve been Pro-Palestine since I first learned about the conflict in the mid-90s. Pro-BSD since I first heard about BSD a couple decades ago. I’d hardly call that “just joined”.
That part is true. Dismissing something that would be a complete game changer by claiming that it would make zero difference hurts the cause as well, though. Some would argue much more.
Right back at you, doomer.
Where the fuck did THAT come from??
Vehemently disagreeing with your incorrect take does not equal anything even remotely approaching something that could be mistaken for narcissism in good faith.
Could have fooled me with your doomer nonsense.
I don’t believe you know what a doomer is, and your insistence on calling people that after being called out for hurling accusations of Zionism leads me to believe you are just using the word to mean Zionist without actually having to reflect on why you and I are at odds despite the fact that we hold the same beliefs.
It may fundamentally be an issue of behavior.
I’m going by this definition:
Your claim would qualify as such pathological pessimism.
Nobody except someone who’s either a Zionist defending the weapons shipments or extremely pessimistic would make such a wild claim in good faith.
Nope, see above.
Perhaps because you keep ridiculously insisting that one of the important steps to stop what we both abhor wouldn’t matter? That would tend to put people with similar beliefs and/or goals at odds with each other.
True. I’m fast running out of reasons to believe a word of what you say, since you’re being so obtuse that it’s almost a given that it’s willful by now.
Well I’m not a pessimist, I feel no sense of helplessness and in response to claims of aimlessness, I actually think that kind of is what my problem with your words have been. Aimless and unhelpful, mostly to the Palestinian people.
This is my issue. You are allowed to just lie about others and pretend its saving lives, while you would never grant me access to that same behavior. This is the narcissism I was talking about.
I have done no such thing at any point.
Still doesn’t make the least bit of sense. Just leave me alone, please.
You accused me of being both a Zionist and a doomer, with zero regard to the truth value of those accusations.
But yes, I think our conversation has reached its natural conclusion. Best of luck to you.
@[email protected] can’t go down two posts about Palestine without calling someone a Zionist. It’s impossible to have any discourse with these people because they aren’t interested in facts as much as they are interested in grandstanding.
That’s completely false. I might sometimes call out someone who’s acting like a Zionist but isn’t one, since I’m not a mind reader, but yours is a completely unfair accusation designed to discredit me and make yourself look better in comparison.
Stereotype much?
Doesn’t it hurt your brain to project that much?
I suspect this person is like some of the users on .ml (core and boomer, for instance) who are clearly being paid by somebody to do what they are doing.
I’m starting to think about you’re a troll at this point. The amount of pivoting in your posts is unreal. Just like the way you ignored my two other links in the post I referred you to.