This is a strawman, the socialist argument isn’t about how hard executives work, it’s about relationships to capital.
If you want to setup a meritocratic cooperative, be my guest. If the democratic body that runs the cooperative decides that being a CEO is 300x more difficult than being a senior software engineer with decades of experience, so be it (nobody in the real world believes this).
The issue is that this isn’t how organizations are run. People aren’t compensated based on how much they work, nor is compensation decided democratically. Seed money comes through for example, and those investors put a tiny fraction of the time and effort that workers put in, but their relationship to capital is fundamentally different. They are part of a different class, they don’t rent themselves out to the owners of capital and have the surplus value of their labor extracted and divided up to shareholders.
The critique is at the very existence of these different classes. People shouldn’t have fundamentally different relationships to capital. Abolitionists of the 19th century fully understood this, abolishing wage slavery (renting people) is an incredibly important thing to do, just like abolishing chattel slavery (buying people) was. These are both intolerable infringements upon human rights to autonomy.
No one in this thread argued that it was easy. I can imagine that it can be quite stressful. However, the notion that we live in a meritocracy, where only the most capable are to become CEOs is a full-on myth.
Did I say good emperor? No it’s not an easy set of skills to be good at or get yourself into or build the network to be successful. If it was you wouldn’t see memes about shitty coworkers or shitty middle managers with egos. You are trying to get sometimes hundreds of thousands employees and multiple business lines working in order. You have to work with finance, marking, supply chain, and delivery while being a public face to the company at the top. It’s hard, it’s stressful, and it’s not easy. I’d support stricter laws about equity. I’m just not dumb about how hard the jobs is at even a medium sized business. You’ve invented some random argument about gods and kings, think about that insane jump.
I get that working at McDonalds, you are highly disconencted from the management/executive leaderships. But this type of claim is sheer ignorance and shows a complete lack of any business knowledge or skillset.
you can argue that the average CEO is overpaid or that they’re propped up with too much power. But they are definitely doing work and it is a real job.
So you don’t actually have a clue what you’re talking about and just want to throw fallacious comments and arguments?
What are ytou? 12? did you flunk highschool? I’d love to explain and teach you while you’re wrong, but I don’t have the patience to start at a kindergarten level.
No one is saying that being a CEO is easy. We’re just saying they don’t deserve multi-million dollar salaries and bonuses so large that it could easily give every single worker under them a significant wage increase. No single person does enough to deserve that much compensation when the people under them are struggling to afford housing.
Tbf, I party agree with you. The focus on CEOs is a quite deliberate distraction from the real problem thats crafted to feed nicely into the “white collar workers unduly favour (insert minority group)” trope.
To me, at least CEOs work for at least some of their money, even if we all disagree on the exact percentage.
The shareholders (capital, the actual problem) are more than happy for people to direct thier anger at CEOs. In fact, its part of the CEOs job. All the shitty things the CEO brings in is because the shareholders are demanding more money.
Keep being angry at the green wizard, just don’t think about whats behind the curtain.
It’s absurd to me this place like lemmons just repeats that being a CEO is easy work that anyone can do or not a real job.
Full on propaganda driven dribble.
You might not like them making money and your countries laws on corporations but you are delusional if you honestly believe being a CEO is easy.
Propaganda fueled delusions.
This is a strawman, the socialist argument isn’t about how hard executives work, it’s about relationships to capital.
If you want to setup a meritocratic cooperative, be my guest. If the democratic body that runs the cooperative decides that being a CEO is 300x more difficult than being a senior software engineer with decades of experience, so be it (nobody in the real world believes this).
The issue is that this isn’t how organizations are run. People aren’t compensated based on how much they work, nor is compensation decided democratically. Seed money comes through for example, and those investors put a tiny fraction of the time and effort that workers put in, but their relationship to capital is fundamentally different. They are part of a different class, they don’t rent themselves out to the owners of capital and have the surplus value of their labor extracted and divided up to shareholders.
The critique is at the very existence of these different classes. People shouldn’t have fundamentally different relationships to capital. Abolitionists of the 19th century fully understood this, abolishing wage slavery (renting people) is an incredibly important thing to do, just like abolishing chattel slavery (buying people) was. These are both intolerable infringements upon human rights to autonomy.
No one in this thread argued that it was easy. I can imagine that it can be quite stressful. However, the notion that we live in a meritocracy, where only the most capable are to become CEOs is a full-on myth.
👌👍 CEO isn’t a real job
Read the rest of the sentence.
Nothing changes. Full on delusions here still. Even in your communist utopia someone needs to run the company.
Yeah… The workers do. (⌐■_■)
👌👍 easy job, most people have the skills.
It’s an attainable skill. Seriously: You think that CEOs are the modern equivalent of god emperors and I am the ideologically blinded?
That’s literally the same thing people claimed that kings are: rulers that the people need because the latter is too dumb for their daily affairs.
Did I say good emperor? No it’s not an easy set of skills to be good at or get yourself into or build the network to be successful. If it was you wouldn’t see memes about shitty coworkers or shitty middle managers with egos. You are trying to get sometimes hundreds of thousands employees and multiple business lines working in order. You have to work with finance, marking, supply chain, and delivery while being a public face to the company at the top. It’s hard, it’s stressful, and it’s not easy. I’d support stricter laws about equity. I’m just not dumb about how hard the jobs is at even a medium sized business. You’ve invented some random argument about gods and kings, think about that insane jump.
I get that working at McDonalds, you are highly disconencted from the management/executive leaderships. But this type of claim is sheer ignorance and shows a complete lack of any business knowledge or skillset.
you can argue that the average CEO is overpaid or that they’re propped up with too much power. But they are definitely doing work and it is a real job.
What a fantastic story you have invented.
So you don’t actually have a clue what you’re talking about and just want to throw fallacious comments and arguments?
What are ytou? 12? did you flunk highschool? I’d love to explain and teach you while you’re wrong, but I don’t have the patience to start at a kindergarten level.
No one is saying that being a CEO is easy. We’re just saying they don’t deserve multi-million dollar salaries and bonuses so large that it could easily give every single worker under them a significant wage increase. No single person does enough to deserve that much compensation when the people under them are struggling to afford housing.
Tbf, I party agree with you. The focus on CEOs is a quite deliberate distraction from the real problem thats crafted to feed nicely into the “white collar workers unduly favour (insert minority group)” trope.
To me, at least CEOs work for at least some of their money, even if we all disagree on the exact percentage.
The shareholders (capital, the actual problem) are more than happy for people to direct thier anger at CEOs. In fact, its part of the CEOs job. All the shitty things the CEO brings in is because the shareholders are demanding more money.
Keep being angry at the green wizard, just don’t think about whats behind the curtain.