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  • @Cryophilia
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    57 months ago

    It’s something to aspire to. I’m not demanding they forgive. I’m asking they try not to become the thing they hate.

    And for the record I don’t think we’re in much danger of that. Women are not in power in the world. The world is still mostly controlled by men, and most of the women who are in power don’t seem concerned with punishing men for the sins of their fathers.

    But it is a dangerous and toxic mindset for anyone to have.

    • @surewhynotlem
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      17 months ago

      Is it though? Is it dangerous for a rape victim to be like “men suck”? That doesn’t seem dangerous to me in any way. Just seems like a reasonable response to a hard life.

      That’d account for like 20% of all women if you give those people a pass.

      • @Cryophilia
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        17 months ago

        No raindrop believes it’s responsible for the flood. In aggregate, these viewpoints are dangerous. I remember seeing it happen in real time on the original red pill subreddit…must have been 10 years ago. For a long time, men would come there, men who had been hurt by women. For a while, there was balance, there was a community of men to help them work through their feelings of anger and resentment. But it became too much, there were just too many angry men, and we all know what happened to it.

        • @surewhynotlem
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          17 months ago

          Hmm. Perhaps. Perhaps these opinions would go away if women stopped being hurt.

          Don’t blame the swelling. It’s just a response to the infection.

          • @Cryophilia
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            07 months ago

            Proper medical care involves treating both the cause and the symptoms.

            • @surewhynotlem
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              17 months ago

              I’m glad the analogy is holding so well.

              You only treat the symptoms when doing so improves the quality of life of the patient. Brain swelling, you try and reduce the swelling. Sprain an ankle that’s swollen, treating that swelling impedes healing so you only do so for the patient’s ease of motion.

              However, in the case of women, treating their anger doesn’t help them. It helps men.

              • @Cryophilia
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                27 months ago

                You don’t think women being angry and bitter hurts women? I know of at least one woman irl who was headed down a very dark path until I and others pulled her out of the hate spiral.

                We talk a lot about incels and redpill and whatnot because they’re dangerous to women, but what is less mentioned is how absolutely toxic it is to those in the ideology (which is itself an interesting men’s issue, the way something tends to only be a societal problem once it threatens women or children).

                Women who go down the angry misandrist path have the same problems: it’s just not a healthy place to be, mentally.

                • @surewhynotlem
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                  17 months ago

                  Women being angry doesn’t hurt women.

                  People being angry in general hurts themselves.

                  We don’t need to frame it any more than that, and especially not in the context here. Otherwise it just screams “whataboutism” and gives the red pill people and excuse.

                  Context is always important.

                  • @Cryophilia
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                    17 months ago

                    I mean, sure, I thought we were just on a more or less unrelated sidebar conversation. Doesn’t have much to do with the topic of the post. I just took issue with that one suggestion that it’s okay for women to be angry/misandrist against men, since men did it to women. That’s about the extent of the context, for me.