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Palestine is being colonized for being a bridge between Asia and Africa, not for any “religious” reasons. Theodor Herzl, founder of the “zionism” was a racist colonizer who saw colonizing Palestine as bringing ‘civilization’ to ‘barbarians’ as the rest of Europe did when they were colonizing and enslaving Africa and Asia:
“We should there form a portion of a rampart of Europe against Asia, an outpost of civilization as opposed to barbarism. We should as a neutral State remain in contact with all Europe, which would have to guarantee our existence.” Source [II]
The difference now is that the US has been the de facto leader of the imperial core since WW2, no longer UK in Europe, hence the US being its main master.
Religions are a consequence of class society and a region’s material conditions. Seeing anything entirely through the lens of religion is not very materialist.
Religion is a consequence of class society and a region’s material conditions. Seeing anything entirely through the lens of religion is not very materialist.
This. I used to associate everything with religion after leaving islam, and realizing it’s merely a consequence of class society was a key trigger for becoming a socialist for me.
Ironically, by trying to see everything through the lens of religion during that time instead of thinking materially, I was still stuck in a religious mindset even after supposedly leaving it.
It’s a tool that’s often used for imperialism, so while it’s not like it had “nothing to do with religion”, pointing at it instead of class society is kinda putting the cart before the horse.
Like Alsephina said, it seems like you’re still stuck in a religious mindset. The issue of religion will simultaneously be tackled by dealing with its root causes: class society and material conditions. As is what happened / is happening in socialist societies like the USSR, China, DPRK etc.
and just like any other excuse, aren’t we beholden to call it out for the benefit of all?
instead, like capitalism, we seem to shrug and say “that’s just how humans are lol” while we go back to killing each other over money or made up stories from 2000 years ago.
just like in therapy/recovery/etc, don’t we have to acknowledge(and i mean actually reflect on) the problem (organised religion, in this case) before anything gets better?
Religion is a cancer to humanity. Do you really think this situation would be anywhere close to as violent and abhorrent without religion?
Palestine is being colonized for being a bridge between Asia and Africa, not for any “religious” reasons. Theodor Herzl, founder of the “zionism” was a racist colonizer who saw colonizing Palestine as bringing ‘civilization’ to ‘barbarians’ as the rest of Europe did when they were colonizing and enslaving Africa and Asia:
The difference now is that the US has been the de facto leader of the imperial core since WW2, no longer UK in Europe, hence the US being its main master.
Religions are a consequence of class society and a region’s material conditions. Seeing anything entirely through the lens of religion is not very materialist.
This. I used to associate everything with religion after leaving islam, and realizing it’s merely a consequence of class society was a key trigger for becoming a socialist for me.
Ironically, by trying to see everything through the lens of religion during that time instead of thinking materially, I was still stuck in a religious mindset even after supposedly leaving it.
Sure it’s just bridge between Africa and Asia and nothing to do with holy land. Next spin the crusades etc to also have nothing to do with religion
It’s a tool that’s often used for imperialism, so while it’s not like it had “nothing to do with religion”, pointing at it instead of class society is kinda putting the cart before the horse.
Like Alsephina said, it seems like you’re still stuck in a religious mindset. The issue of religion will simultaneously be tackled by dealing with its root causes: class society and material conditions. As is what happened / is happening in socialist societies like the USSR, China, DPRK etc.
Correct. That’s why zionism’s founder proposed colonizing it, and why the br*tish supported its colonization.
It being an important place or whatever in some religions probably made manufacturing consent a bit easier.
Religion is just an excuse. If there were no religion they’d find something else to justify it with.
and just like any other excuse, aren’t we beholden to call it out for the benefit of all?
instead, like capitalism, we seem to shrug and say “that’s just how humans are lol” while we go back to killing each other over money or made up stories from 2000 years ago.
just like in therapy/recovery/etc, don’t we have to acknowledge(and i mean actually reflect on) the problem (organised religion, in this case) before anything gets better?