I feel like trying to do this in a country where 2-3 years of military service and training is a requirement for all adults shows a lack of forethought. This seems like a society where you’re going to want to try real real hard to keep the people content.
Seems that way, but keep in mind that military service brings with it a military mindset of heirarchy. With everyone being primed to accept a “this person is my superior,” falling back on taking orders is a lot more palatable.
I have lived in Israel my entire life, and have served for 3 years in the IDF.
People don’t just follow orders blindly - in fact, in the IDF, if you receive an extreme order from your superior (for example, if you’re told to harm an innocent person), you WILL go to prison if you follow that order, and it is your obligation to refuse it.
Not to mention the fact the the culture in Israel is extremely informal and lax. Israelis take pride in not following the rules.
Israelis in general are extremely distrusting of authority (think about it - Jews have been suffering because of it for 2000 years).
But how often has refusing an illegal direct order not been punished? “Breaking the Silence” members have risked jail time for refusing to commit war crimes. The military replaced brigade commander Ben Dunkelman for refusing to expel all Arabs from Nazareth under Ben Gurion’s orders.
Sorry, but events which happened right after the founding of the country don’t count IMO - the whole area was in chaos and many dumb decisions were made (talking about the Ben Dunkleman case).
“Breaking the Silence” have been caught lying many times - even known biased publications like Haaretz have called them liars.
Elor Azaria, a soldier which killed an incapacitated terrorist a few years ago, claimed that his commander told him to do it. He went to jail anyway.
It’s not a myth, this is fucking drilled into our heads during bootcamp.
What’s “drilled into your heads in boot camp” is still not always enforced. The US military claims to support diversity from top to bottom and yet there’s thousands of documented incidents of sexist and racist assaults of one another that go unpunished and the existence of actual hate groups in the ranks. The reality of IDF is that there’s literally thousands of allegations of criminal behavior that the military refuses to investigate and when they do there’s less than 1% that even face charges, and even the crimes documented on video and convicted get a shockingly small punishment even in cases that led to a death of a Palestinian. This is well documented, stop trying to whitewash it.
The value of the Russian ruble has fallen by almost half in the last year. They have taken a severe pay cut, that ten percent doesn’t even kind of bring them up par.
I feel like trying to do this in a country where 2-3 years of military service and training is a requirement for all adults shows a lack of forethought. This seems like a society where you’re going to want to try real real hard to keep the people content.
Seems that way, but keep in mind that military service brings with it a military mindset of heirarchy. With everyone being primed to accept a “this person is my superior,” falling back on taking orders is a lot more palatable.
You don’t know shit about Israel.
I have lived in Israel my entire life, and have served for 3 years in the IDF.
People don’t just follow orders blindly - in fact, in the IDF, if you receive an extreme order from your superior (for example, if you’re told to harm an innocent person), you WILL go to prison if you follow that order, and it is your obligation to refuse it.
Not to mention the fact the the culture in Israel is extremely informal and lax. Israelis take pride in not following the rules.
Israelis in general are extremely distrusting of authority (think about it - Jews have been suffering because of it for 2000 years).
But how often has refusing an illegal direct order not been punished? “Breaking the Silence” members have risked jail time for refusing to commit war crimes. The military replaced brigade commander Ben Dunkelman for refusing to expel all Arabs from Nazareth under Ben Gurion’s orders.
You’re talking about more myth than reality.
Sorry, but events which happened right after the founding of the country don’t count IMO - the whole area was in chaos and many dumb decisions were made (talking about the Ben Dunkleman case).
“Breaking the Silence” have been caught lying many times - even known biased publications like Haaretz have called them liars.
Elor Azaria, a soldier which killed an incapacitated terrorist a few years ago, claimed that his commander told him to do it. He went to jail anyway.
It’s not a myth, this is fucking drilled into our heads during bootcamp.
What’s “drilled into your heads in boot camp” is still not always enforced. The US military claims to support diversity from top to bottom and yet there’s thousands of documented incidents of sexist and racist assaults of one another that go unpunished and the existence of actual hate groups in the ranks. The reality of IDF is that there’s literally thousands of allegations of criminal behavior that the military refuses to investigate and when they do there’s less than 1% that even face charges, and even the crimes documented on video and convicted get a shockingly small punishment even in cases that led to a death of a Palestinian. This is well documented, stop trying to whitewash it.
And Elor Azaria got a slap on the wrist, a mere 9 months in jail for killing an unarmed Arab, and is treated like a hero since his release.
Great point, after all we are all familiar with the historical example of the Hitler Youth overthrowing the government in Nazi Germany.
Russia just gave a 10% pay rise to the army
The value of the Russian ruble has fallen by almost half in the last year. They have taken a severe pay cut, that ten percent doesn’t even kind of bring them up par.
Fair enough - just adding to the idea having an upset army isn’t helpful for those in power