For the most part, the cars are fine. I really enjoy working on a car and find pleasure in purely mechanical things. I like internal combustion engines.
Sure, I think Musk is an idiot. But it’s much more that I think Teslas are overrated. My biggest gripe is the arbitrary changing of existing user controls and their ethos of the car should anticipate and do things for me. I don’t want the car to do anything unless I tell it to. Even if it is something as simple as turn signals.
I don’t want solenoids for car handles.
I don’t want controls on a fucking touchscreen.
I don’t want automatic updates.
I don’t want subscriptions.
I don’t want to be able to change the horn (because a horn is supposed to be a safety item and sound a certain way.)
I don’t want stupid games on the touchscreen.
On top of all that, I think they are pretty ugly too.
So, really nothing to do with them being bad cars, just things you preferentially don’t like.
As I said elsewhere, I don’t give a shit if anyone likes Tesla. I will consider one when I buy a new car, but I highly doubt I’ll end up buying one. My issue is with this pervasive belief here that Teslas are miserable, problem-ridden, locked-down piles of junk, like many modern day printers. It just doesn’t seem to line up with reality.
one pretty legitimate criticism i have heard about them is that they are essentially worthless after 10 years because the batteries are knackered and tesla charges A LOT (as in more than the cost of an equivalent car) for replacement batteries.
Hopefully the 3rd party battery market kicks its self into gear at some point. And hopefully Tesla doesn’t go the apple route of part pairing.
I’d like to be able to buy a second hand EV when i’m living somewhere where i can charge it (currently in an apartment block with no parking). I’d like to be able to do that without having to risk paying brand prices for a new battery.
My petrol BMW 3 series on the other hand is 19 years old and still going strong. It’s literally old enough to buy booze
Musk claims that they should last between 500k and 800k km, and there is evidence to back up that they do last some time (although, with not much time under the belt, it’s hard to say) which is more than the typical 300k (if you’re lucky) on an ICE car. And the current price of replacing the battery looks like it’s in the 13-20k range. So not way more than the car itself, although maybe you are talking used.
Yes, an equivalent to a 10 year old car would be a used one.
And you’ll forgive me for taking Musks “claims” with a pinch of salt
I also own a 12 year old Lexus rx450h with 150k miles on the clock and the battery is imo starting to show it’s age, and that’s not even a plug in hybrid. I am expecting to have to replace the battery within the next 2 years
For the most part, the cars are fine. I really enjoy working on a car and find pleasure in purely mechanical things. I like internal combustion engines.
Sure, I think Musk is an idiot. But it’s much more that I think Teslas are overrated. My biggest gripe is the arbitrary changing of existing user controls and their ethos of the car should anticipate and do things for me. I don’t want the car to do anything unless I tell it to. Even if it is something as simple as turn signals.
On top of all that, I think they are pretty ugly too.
So, really nothing to do with them being bad cars, just things you preferentially don’t like.
As I said elsewhere, I don’t give a shit if anyone likes Tesla. I will consider one when I buy a new car, but I highly doubt I’ll end up buying one. My issue is with this pervasive belief here that Teslas are miserable, problem-ridden, locked-down piles of junk, like many modern day printers. It just doesn’t seem to line up with reality.
one pretty legitimate criticism i have heard about them is that they are essentially worthless after 10 years because the batteries are knackered and tesla charges A LOT (as in more than the cost of an equivalent car) for replacement batteries.
Hopefully the 3rd party battery market kicks its self into gear at some point. And hopefully Tesla doesn’t go the apple route of part pairing.
I’d like to be able to buy a second hand EV when i’m living somewhere where i can charge it (currently in an apartment block with no parking). I’d like to be able to do that without having to risk paying brand prices for a new battery.
My petrol BMW 3 series on the other hand is 19 years old and still going strong. It’s literally old enough to buy booze
Musk claims that they should last between 500k and 800k km, and there is evidence to back up that they do last some time (although, with not much time under the belt, it’s hard to say) which is more than the typical 300k (if you’re lucky) on an ICE car. And the current price of replacing the battery looks like it’s in the 13-20k range. So not way more than the car itself, although maybe you are talking used.
Yes, an equivalent to a 10 year old car would be a used one.
And you’ll forgive me for taking Musks “claims” with a pinch of salt
I also own a 12 year old Lexus rx450h with 150k miles on the clock and the battery is imo starting to show it’s age, and that’s not even a plug in hybrid. I am expecting to have to replace the battery within the next 2 years