Wasn’t it in the nature of reparations from the treatment of Jews by Muslims under the Ottoman empire, which ended in 1922, and wasn’t it created on land Hebrew speaking Israelites and Judites originally inhabited before the Ottomans pillaged all their cities and killed nearly all of them?
Without French support in the revolutionary War, the United States would not exist. The French didn’t let democracy die as a concept on this Earth, for the good of humanity, because colonies did an inhumane thing by keeping slaves. Was the founding of America not an act of violence also? By that standard isn’t the founded of every place an act of violence? Is there literally any significant land in the world still inhabited by its aboriginals?
Bottom line, the western world is not going to let a democracy get wiped out by actually far right religious fanatics, no matter how flawed the Guardian and Al Jazeera make Israeli democracy sound.
You agree magic isn’t real so what’s you’re proposal to protect all the Israelites that are there. Are you saying “hey they are not self sustaining so they deserve to have Iran genocide them.”
Wasn’t it in the nature of reparations from the treatment of Jews by Muslims under the Ottoman empire, which ended in 1922, and wasn’t it created on land Hebrew speaking Israelites and Judites originally inhabited before the Ottomans pillaged all their cities and killed nearly all of them?
In the aftermath of the first World War, there were less than 100,000 Jews living in Mandatory Palestine. In 1917, the Balfour declaration promised support for a Jewish homeland from the British, regardless of promises made to local Arab populations about respecting their claims for independence. The declaration was the product of efforts by Zionists in the UK lobbying for it. This in no way justifies exiling 700,000+ Palestinians from their homes and stealing them. It’s a case of claiming Jewish people are somehow exceptional in that their need for a homeland and safety trumps the needs and human rights of any other group impacted by their pursuit of this goal.
Without French support in the revolutionary War, the United States would not exist. The French didn’t let democracy die as a concept on this Earth, for the good of humanity, because colonies did an inhumane thing by keeping slaves. Was the founding of America not an act of violence also? By that standard isn’t the founded of every place an act of violence? Is there literally any significant land in the world still inhabited by its aboriginals?
I don’t disagree, but it’s disingenuous to expect other powers of the time engaging in the same practices at the time to suddenly call out the US on it. France didn’t abolish slavery until 1848, for example.
You agree magic isn’t real so what’s you’re proposal to protect all the Israelites that are there. Are you saying “hey they are not self sustaining so they deserve to have Iran genocide them.”
Israel loves to assert it’s a sovereign nation, so why is defending Israelis from the consequences of their many governments anyone’s responsibility except for that of Israelis? This isn’t a case of a rogue right-wing government derailing Israeli policy, it’s a continuation of the same colonial apartheid state that the UN has been calling on Israel to stop perpetrating since the 1970s! If Israel wants to play stupid games, let them get smacked around some. If they can’t actually stand on their own as a sovereign nation and there is a credible possibility of residents facing a genocide as a result, they can apply for refugee status, the same as any other group coming under threat. If they didn’t want this, they’ve had more than 40 years to come to that realization as a nation and correct course, and they have chosen not to. If these policies haven’t been broadly popular all this time and the Israeli people have just been getting dragged along, well, that’s not exactly the bastion of democracy in the Middle East that Israel likes to cosplay as, now is it?
Or, if they really want to stay under the US’ wing, how about we just make them a territory. No exemption from prosecution for their war criminals and settlers, no exceptional autonomy, the IDF gets brought under the jurisdiction of the US army and they can be like a Middle Eastern Guam. The US government can clean up their mess, they pay taxes to fund it, their politicians get muzzled and deprived of chances to stir up more conflict without being accused of insurrection and branded terrorists if they try to manufacture more conflicts. Real stupid idea, right? I can’t say I see anyone else volunteering to take on perpetually defending Israel with money, and potentially non-Israeli troops, so I think we can discard this one.
Well, maybe, just maybe, Israel should shut the hell up, dismantle all their settlements, stop engaging in offensive conflicts with the nations around them when they pre-emptively assert their right to defend themselves and try to actually cohabitate. Wild idea, but perhaps it’s time to put to rest the idea of a Jewish colonial ethnostate and admit that Israel is going to have to join us in modernity if they want a shot at survival.
Wasn’t it in the nature of reparations from the treatment of Jews by Muslims under the Ottoman empire, which ended in 1922, and wasn’t it created on land Hebrew speaking Israelites and Judites originally inhabited before the Ottomans pillaged all their cities and killed nearly all of them?
Without French support in the revolutionary War, the United States would not exist. The French didn’t let democracy die as a concept on this Earth, for the good of humanity, because colonies did an inhumane thing by keeping slaves. Was the founding of America not an act of violence also? By that standard isn’t the founded of every place an act of violence? Is there literally any significant land in the world still inhabited by its aboriginals?
Bottom line, the western world is not going to let a democracy get wiped out by actually far right religious fanatics, no matter how flawed the Guardian and Al Jazeera make Israeli democracy sound.
You agree magic isn’t real so what’s you’re proposal to protect all the Israelites that are there. Are you saying “hey they are not self sustaining so they deserve to have Iran genocide them.”
In the aftermath of the first World War, there were less than 100,000 Jews living in Mandatory Palestine. In 1917, the Balfour declaration promised support for a Jewish homeland from the British, regardless of promises made to local Arab populations about respecting their claims for independence. The declaration was the product of efforts by Zionists in the UK lobbying for it. This in no way justifies exiling 700,000+ Palestinians from their homes and stealing them. It’s a case of claiming Jewish people are somehow exceptional in that their need for a homeland and safety trumps the needs and human rights of any other group impacted by their pursuit of this goal.
I don’t disagree, but it’s disingenuous to expect other powers of the time engaging in the same practices at the time to suddenly call out the US on it. France didn’t abolish slavery until 1848, for example.
Israel loves to assert it’s a sovereign nation, so why is defending Israelis from the consequences of their many governments anyone’s responsibility except for that of Israelis? This isn’t a case of a rogue right-wing government derailing Israeli policy, it’s a continuation of the same colonial apartheid state that the UN has been calling on Israel to stop perpetrating since the 1970s! If Israel wants to play stupid games, let them get smacked around some. If they can’t actually stand on their own as a sovereign nation and there is a credible possibility of residents facing a genocide as a result, they can apply for refugee status, the same as any other group coming under threat. If they didn’t want this, they’ve had more than 40 years to come to that realization as a nation and correct course, and they have chosen not to. If these policies haven’t been broadly popular all this time and the Israeli people have just been getting dragged along, well, that’s not exactly the bastion of democracy in the Middle East that Israel likes to cosplay as, now is it?
Or, if they really want to stay under the US’ wing, how about we just make them a territory. No exemption from prosecution for their war criminals and settlers, no exceptional autonomy, the IDF gets brought under the jurisdiction of the US army and they can be like a Middle Eastern Guam. The US government can clean up their mess, they pay taxes to fund it, their politicians get muzzled and deprived of chances to stir up more conflict without being accused of insurrection and branded terrorists if they try to manufacture more conflicts. Real stupid idea, right? I can’t say I see anyone else volunteering to take on perpetually defending Israel with money, and potentially non-Israeli troops, so I think we can discard this one.
Well, maybe, just maybe, Israel should shut the hell up, dismantle all their settlements, stop engaging in offensive conflicts with the nations around them when they pre-emptively assert their right to defend themselves and try to actually cohabitate. Wild idea, but perhaps it’s time to put to rest the idea of a Jewish colonial ethnostate and admit that Israel is going to have to join us in modernity if they want a shot at survival.