• @Apollo42
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    177 months ago

    Is this a comment on the inevitably of human nature, or a misunderstanding of communism (which if done properly is stateless)?

    • Cowbee [he/him]
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      107 months ago

      Communism if done properly is Stateless insofar as it means there is no Class, and therefore no aparatus like the Police that uphold the dominance of one class over another.

      Communism was always, in Marxist tradition, meant to have a democratically accountable world republic.

      You may or may not be referring to Anarcho-Communism, which rejects both the transitional state of Socialism and prefers more decentralized networks of Mutual Aid.

      • @Apollo42
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        -47 months ago

        Anarcho-Communism

        Yeah it’s like I said, communism done properly.

        • Cowbee [he/him]
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          47 months ago

          It’s fine to be an Anarcho-Communist, but I think it’s silly to claim that Marxism isn’t also “Communism done properly.” Communism done better can be argued, but both should be seen as proper.

    • @SkyezOpen
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      17 months ago

      Probably just that every rendition of communism so far has been authoritarian.

      • @grue
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        117 months ago

        Hippie communes are a counterexample.

        • @SkyezOpen
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          17 months ago

          Every large scale rendition, then.

            • @SkyezOpen
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              37 months ago

              The previous comments were specifically talking about communist “regimes,” and I clarified what I thought they meant to say. You shifted the framing to be pedantic, unless you genuinely count hippy communes as communist regimes.

              • @grue
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                -37 months ago

                Well if that’s what you meant, then no shit a “regime” is authoritarian – that’s basically true by definition. But that just means your comment was tautological and vacuous, so what was your point?

                • @jumjummy
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                  17 months ago

                  Ok, swap out regime for a country. Show me a country where communism has run well (as in not an authoritarian state).

                  Answer: none

        • @Aux
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          -37 months ago

          Hippie communes are not countries and are dependent on the goodwill of everyone else around them.

      • @Apollo42
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        67 months ago

        I would argue that an authoritarian state cannot be communist, though plenty have called themselves so.

      • @Aux
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        -37 months ago

        There can be no other rendition.

    • magic_lobster_party
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      07 months ago

      Is it better if I rephrase it as “all regimes founded on communist ideas and visions are authoritarian by nature”?

      • @Apollo42
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        127 months ago

        A truly communist “regime” is not something that should ever exist as communism is a stateless philosophy thus inherently not authoritarian by its very nature.

        It’s the bit in between capitalism and communism that historically has been coopted by bad actors to create authoritarian regimes, these regimes tend to still call themselves communist because “lol fuck your revolution I’m in charge now” doesn’t have the same PR value.

        • @Aux
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          -37 months ago

          In short: a true communism cannot exist.

    • @Aux
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      -47 months ago

      Communism is authoritarian because it puts the needs of a social construct (a “commune” or “society”) over the needs, rights and freedoms of an individual. It doesn’t matter how you want to paint it, it’s always authoritarian.

      • @Apollo42
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        57 months ago

        I think that’s a gross misunderstanding on your part.

        • @Aux
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          No, I think that’s a gross misunderstanding on YOUR part.

          • @Apollo42
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            17 months ago

            Well you would wouldn’t you, what with the whole gross misunderstanding part?

            • @Aux
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              07 months ago

              Are you talking to a mirror?

      • @Gabu
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        27 months ago

        over the needs, rights and freedoms of an individual.

        As should be the fucking case, you chimp. Otherwise, I am free to bash your head on the pavement as part of my “individual freedom”.

        • @Aux
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          -37 months ago

          Oh look, Nazis are here.

          • @Gabu
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            7 months ago

            Right, the famously Nazi Communists… can you make a single sensible remark, or is it all brain rot?

            • @Aux
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              07 months ago

              Come back when Commies start supporting human rights and freedoms.

              • @Gabu
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                07 months ago

                All brain rot, got it

                • @Aux
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                  07 months ago

                  Visit a doctor then.