The “human nature” argument is so old Marx literally debunked it before communism was even really a word.
But I understand feeling depressed about everything. The power of capital seems inescapable and it feels like oppression and fascism is human destiny. Perhaps instead of a cold dialectical analysis, may I suggest “Mutual Aid: A Factor in Evolution” by Peter Kropotkin instead? I think it’s a more emotive and soulful piece of writing that may just for a moment restore your faith in the fact that there are at least some people out there who really just want things to be better, not just to be in charge, and that perhaps such a drive exists within all of us to different capacities. I don’t want to run anything, I just want housing security.
Having housing is a worthy goal. But communism is not the way to it. Marx didn’t debunk shit, because all tries for communism have failed because of human nature. Someone will always want what others have. Hell even the damn bible called this out.
Actually read Marx before you call people tankies then.
Someone will always want what others have.
Called trade, a feature of communism, not exploitation, a feature of capitalism.
Also lol “source: even the damn bible” and your, like, vibes about like, ‘human nature’, man (which isn’t a real thing btw, there’s no unifying human experience actually) isn’t very convincing.
I have read Marx, and acting like people who subscribe to his trash aren’t tankies is hilarious. You are a tankie if you do. And please show me where this perfect utopia has occurred in history. There is and always will be exploited people. The real world doesn’t exist in your wannabe utopia, because if it could, it would have happened already. You can do exactly what you’re talking about, but it requires force to get done. They did it in the USSR and people were miserable and still cleaning up that shit even 30 years later. Only people who have never lived through it, think communism is cool.
Oh okay so you’re an anti-communist neolib shill lol. I guess actual tankies (auth-left as opposed to anarchists) were right and neolibs do use it as derogatory against all communists.
if it could, it would have happened already
Please show me where it happened
Yeah this is reasonable and normal to think about landing on the moon in the 1800s. Great rhetoric bud.
I’m from Russia btw, born in USSR. Fash/neolib post-western-shock-therapy Russia of today and Putin is cringe. USSR was mostly cringe. USA also cringe. Has nothing to do with leftism, anarchism or the works of Marx or Kropotkin or Emma Goldman or Rosa Luxembourg etc etc. Still being communist and criticizing the USSR is just being normal and having critical thinking, rather than treating ideology as football teams lol.
Oh okay so you’re an anti-communist neolib shill lol. I guess actual tankies (auth-left as opposed to anarchists) were right and neolibs do use it as derogatory against all communists.
I don’t subscribe to any political leaning. I continually find myself to be more of a mutt of political ideologies than one thing. All communism ends with authoritarianism. Otherwise it would have worked by now.
Yeah this is reasonable and normal to think about landing on the moon in the 1800s. Great rhetoric bud.
Lol what the fuck does the moon landing have to do with a economic form of gov? Capitalism was around way before we landed on the moon…and so was communism.
I’m from Russia btw, born in USSR. Fash/neolib post-western-shock-therapy Russia of today and Putin is cringe.
Cool, i have tons of family from ex ussr block states. The ussr left them in shambles because of failed Communism that was forced upon them. They are still to this day dealing with it.
USSR was mostly cringe.
Mostly? Lol
USA also cringe.
Sure we have our faults.
Has nothing to do with leftism, anarchism or the works of Marx or Kropotkin or Emma Goldman or Rosa Luxembourg etc etc. Still being communist and criticizing the USSR is just being normal and having critical thinking, rather than treating ideology as football teams lol.
Sounds more like you’re treating them as a football team… communism to you is your team, you’ve made that clear.
Are you silly, or just a child? Like people pre-wright brothers would say that about heavier than air flight. People used to say that about moon landing too, hence why I brought it up. I don’t want to embarrass you by chewing that analogy further.
communism is your team
Yes and?
This doesn’t prevent me from thinking critically and saying things like “Stalin bad on gay rights” and “holodomor is genocide” while also saying “Lenin good on gay rights” or that the USSR had great housing and public transport, especially when you consider it was just barely industrialised and fought through a brutal land war and would go on to beat the US to space.
I don’t subscribe
Nah man, you’re just ignorant of what you’re talking about and that’s why you think you’re a mix of ideologies, even though ideologies exist for a reason as more or less logically complete systems of thought, you’re not some enlightened centrist.
I can’t fix this for you and you don’t seem to want to fix it. Have a nice day.
Are you silly, or just a child? Like people pre-wright brothers would say that about heavier than air flight. People used to say that about moon landing too, hence why I brought it up. I don’t want to embarrass you by chewing that analogy further.
Ah you’re one of those tankies who thinks that because it’s not the 1800s Communism will magically work…sure thing champ…so the people who are the GOP, where do they fit into all of this? Do you plan on launching them into space?
Yes and?
This doesn’t prevent me from thinking critically and saying things like “Stalin bad on gay rights” and “holodomor is genocide” while also saying “Lenin good on gay rights” or that the USSR had great housing and public transport, especially when you consider it was just barely industrialised and fought through a brutal land war and would go on to beat the US to space.
Hahahahahaha holy fuck you’re insane. The USSR had great housing…fucking ROFL, some of my family who lived through that shit show are still dealing with it today. You’re so delusional it’s hilarious.
Nah man, you’re just ignorant of what you’re talking about and that’s why you think you’re a mix of ideologies, even though ideologies exist for a reason as more or less logically complete systems of thought, you’re not some enlightened centrist.
Lol sure thing champ. You’re the type who wants this shit because you’d be the one thinking you’re going to be running the show…got bad news for you, you’re the one living in the slums while farming for the rich dickheads running the show.
I can’t fix this for you and you don’t seem to want to fix it. Have a nice day.
Why because I know human nature? Most of the people here who are for communism, are the ones who think they’re going to be running everything.
The “human nature” argument is so old Marx literally debunked it before communism was even really a word.
But I understand feeling depressed about everything. The power of capital seems inescapable and it feels like oppression and fascism is human destiny. Perhaps instead of a cold dialectical analysis, may I suggest “Mutual Aid: A Factor in Evolution” by Peter Kropotkin instead? I think it’s a more emotive and soulful piece of writing that may just for a moment restore your faith in the fact that there are at least some people out there who really just want things to be better, not just to be in charge, and that perhaps such a drive exists within all of us to different capacities. I don’t want to run anything, I just want housing security.
Having housing is a worthy goal. But communism is not the way to it. Marx didn’t debunk shit, because all tries for communism have failed because of human nature. Someone will always want what others have. Hell even the damn bible called this out.
Actually read Marx before you call people tankies then.
Called trade, a feature of communism, not exploitation, a feature of capitalism.
Also lol “source: even the damn bible” and your, like, vibes about like, ‘human nature’, man (which isn’t a real thing btw, there’s no unifying human experience actually) isn’t very convincing.
I have read Marx, and acting like people who subscribe to his trash aren’t tankies is hilarious. You are a tankie if you do. And please show me where this perfect utopia has occurred in history. There is and always will be exploited people. The real world doesn’t exist in your wannabe utopia, because if it could, it would have happened already. You can do exactly what you’re talking about, but it requires force to get done. They did it in the USSR and people were miserable and still cleaning up that shit even 30 years later. Only people who have never lived through it, think communism is cool.
Oh okay so you’re an anti-communist neolib shill lol. I guess actual tankies (auth-left as opposed to anarchists) were right and neolibs do use it as derogatory against all communists.
Yeah this is reasonable and normal to think about landing on the moon in the 1800s. Great rhetoric bud.
I’m from Russia btw, born in USSR. Fash/neolib post-western-shock-therapy Russia of today and Putin is cringe. USSR was mostly cringe. USA also cringe. Has nothing to do with leftism, anarchism or the works of Marx or Kropotkin or Emma Goldman or Rosa Luxembourg etc etc. Still being communist and criticizing the USSR is just being normal and having critical thinking, rather than treating ideology as football teams lol.
I don’t subscribe to any political leaning. I continually find myself to be more of a mutt of political ideologies than one thing. All communism ends with authoritarianism. Otherwise it would have worked by now.
Lol what the fuck does the moon landing have to do with a economic form of gov? Capitalism was around way before we landed on the moon…and so was communism.
Cool, i have tons of family from ex ussr block states. The ussr left them in shambles because of failed Communism that was forced upon them. They are still to this day dealing with it.
Mostly? Lol
Sure we have our faults.
Sounds more like you’re treating them as a football team… communism to you is your team, you’ve made that clear.
Are you silly, or just a child? Like people pre-wright brothers would say that about heavier than air flight. People used to say that about moon landing too, hence why I brought it up. I don’t want to embarrass you by chewing that analogy further.
Yes and?
This doesn’t prevent me from thinking critically and saying things like “Stalin bad on gay rights” and “holodomor is genocide” while also saying “Lenin good on gay rights” or that the USSR had great housing and public transport, especially when you consider it was just barely industrialised and fought through a brutal land war and would go on to beat the US to space.
Nah man, you’re just ignorant of what you’re talking about and that’s why you think you’re a mix of ideologies, even though ideologies exist for a reason as more or less logically complete systems of thought, you’re not some enlightened centrist.
I can’t fix this for you and you don’t seem to want to fix it. Have a nice day.
Ah you’re one of those tankies who thinks that because it’s not the 1800s Communism will magically work…sure thing champ…so the people who are the GOP, where do they fit into all of this? Do you plan on launching them into space?
This doesn’t prevent me from thinking critically and saying things like “Stalin bad on gay rights” and “holodomor is genocide” while also saying “Lenin good on gay rights” or that the USSR had great housing and public transport, especially when you consider it was just barely industrialised and fought through a brutal land war and would go on to beat the US to space.
Hahahahahaha holy fuck you’re insane. The USSR had great housing…fucking ROFL, some of my family who lived through that shit show are still dealing with it today. You’re so delusional it’s hilarious.
Lol sure thing champ. You’re the type who wants this shit because you’d be the one thinking you’re going to be running the show…got bad news for you, you’re the one living in the slums while farming for the rich dickheads running the show.
Awesome glad we got that over with.