I mean, if you don’t have any moral qualms about voting for a politician like Biden you’d have to have your eyes cast farther out than trump to justify say casting ballot for PSL or even just leaving the presidential field blank.
If though you genuinely believe trump is a real imminent danger to democracy and whatever other material and immaterial things you hold dear, why are you worried about how people vote?
You saw what happened last time he was declared the loser of an election. Just this week he said he’d do it again.
No amount of voting is gonna restore people’s faith in the electoral system and you’re getting another j6 if he’s not declared the winner. If you think it’s gonna be a fizzle like in 2021 then building networks of resilience with the people around you is much more important than voting. They might not take over anything and get repelled by the capitol police, but there will be unrest and confusion and it’s more important that you have built strong relationships and preparedness with the people around you for that confusing and frightening time. Heck, you might be in a place where the electric boogaloo try to take over infrastructure and government at local or state level, then it’s even more important.
If you think it’s more than a fizzle, that we really could see a coup of the us government, what do you care how people voted? It’s not like some magic margin will convince that cohort that they were wrong and Biden is actually the guy and trump lost fair and square. The fix is in. No one’s gonna believe vote tallies. If you really think we’re staring down the barrel of a honest to goodness takeover of the federal government, don’t even waste time chastising me for not voting for genocide Joe.
You need to be counting your supplies, making sure your potable water is getting rotated, cleaning your guns and most importantly, helping your neighbors and people around you.
Now if you think that all sounds like crazy talk, and America isn’t actually on the brink of fascism, maybe you would think it better to deny the democrats your vote until they actually run a candidate you can stand on a platform you like.
I don’t think it matters. The terrain we fight on is determined by the material circumstances we’re under. Neither Biden or trump will change that (I actually think trump might try to but even with project 2025 there’s just too much institutional inertia to overcome).
If you think it’s gonna be a fizzle like in 2021 then building networks of resilience with the people around you is much more important than voting.
Why are you pretending these are mutually exclusive?
Hell, none of what you said is mutually exclusive with voting for Biden.
We should be prepared for all eventualities. You can take a few hours out of one day counting your bullets to go cast a vote that might save democracy.
I will never vote for Biden. You dont have to either.
If you really think democracy is at risk then voting for Biden doesn’t matter. Do you think trump will accept being declared the loser? He already said he wouldn’t. Do you think the second sixth will be more successful than the first?
Deal, how do I do that?
You can’t pick who the democrats run, but you can not vote for their candidate when he’s terrible.
Yeah, that’s what the primary is for.
In the general, why would I vote in any way that does not directly contribute to ensuring that Trump is not elected?
I mean, if you don’t have any moral qualms about voting for a politician like Biden you’d have to have your eyes cast farther out than trump to justify say casting ballot for PSL or even just leaving the presidential field blank.
If though you genuinely believe trump is a real imminent danger to democracy and whatever other material and immaterial things you hold dear, why are you worried about how people vote?
You saw what happened last time he was declared the loser of an election. Just this week he said he’d do it again.
No amount of voting is gonna restore people’s faith in the electoral system and you’re getting another j6 if he’s not declared the winner. If you think it’s gonna be a fizzle like in 2021 then building networks of resilience with the people around you is much more important than voting. They might not take over anything and get repelled by the capitol police, but there will be unrest and confusion and it’s more important that you have built strong relationships and preparedness with the people around you for that confusing and frightening time. Heck, you might be in a place where the electric boogaloo try to take over infrastructure and government at local or state level, then it’s even more important.
If you think it’s more than a fizzle, that we really could see a coup of the us government, what do you care how people voted? It’s not like some magic margin will convince that cohort that they were wrong and Biden is actually the guy and trump lost fair and square. The fix is in. No one’s gonna believe vote tallies. If you really think we’re staring down the barrel of a honest to goodness takeover of the federal government, don’t even waste time chastising me for not voting for genocide Joe.
You need to be counting your supplies, making sure your potable water is getting rotated, cleaning your guns and most importantly, helping your neighbors and people around you.
Now if you think that all sounds like crazy talk, and America isn’t actually on the brink of fascism, maybe you would think it better to deny the democrats your vote until they actually run a candidate you can stand on a platform you like.
There are 2 potential outcomes for the general election, and many fights to continue.
Of those 2 outcomes, which will provide the more advantageous political terrain to have those battles on?
What do you think and why?
I don’t think it matters. The terrain we fight on is determined by the material circumstances we’re under. Neither Biden or trump will change that (I actually think trump might try to but even with project 2025 there’s just too much institutional inertia to overcome).
Trump stacked the supreme court which allowed Roe v Wade to be overturned which has had disastrous consequences.
You’re delusional.
Why are you pretending these are mutually exclusive?
Hell, none of what you said is mutually exclusive with voting for Biden.
We should be prepared for all eventualities. You can take a few hours out of one day counting your bullets to go cast a vote that might save democracy.
I will never vote for Biden. You dont have to either.
If you really think democracy is at risk then voting for Biden doesn’t matter. Do you think trump will accept being declared the loser? He already said he wouldn’t. Do you think the second sixth will be more successful than the first?
That’s definitely a risk, and the closer the election, the more likely that is.
Regardless. If Trump wins, democracy is over. If Biden wins, it will be a fight. I’d rather a fight than a sure loss.