In fairness, there wasn’t a big loss of the vaccinated either (seems to be smaller, but still a lot of people)… but there was a successful looting of the poor and enrichment of elites
In fairness, there wasn’t a big loss of the vaccinated either (seems to be smaller, but still a lot of people)… but there was a successful looting of the poor and enrichment of elites
It’s nice that you didn’t die from it, but many did and the hospitals were overrun. The cool thing about science is that it doesn’t care about political stances
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-covid-deaths-region
Is it really, though?
Yes, it is. A person doesn’t deserve to die just because they have a different viewpoint on something. Even in a leopards-ate-my-face situation
Even when that person is putting others at risk, both directly and indirectly?
I mean…if some anti-vaxxer survives a bout with covid only to spread it to one of your immunocompromised loved ones, who isn’t so lucky and dies from it?
In that hypothetical, harsh as it may sound, I’d much rather the one with agency to take preventative measures and chose not to take them be the one to suffer the consequences of their selfish inaction and poor decisions.
I’m not saying they deserve to die, I’m just looking at it from the angle of how this person will use the life they’ve managed to hang onto and how they’ll negatively impact society and the people around them with the time they have.
I’d rather just call them out in a clear way and move on. Hopefully people learn from the interaction, but I doubt everyone will. It’s not worth the effort trying to play 4D chess with an infinite amount of variables. Learning to live with ‘good enough’ is sometimes all you can do.
there are many people who believe this was simply like the flu, since flu cases “disappeared” during this time: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/flu-has-disappeared-worldwide-during-the-covid-pandemic1/
(flu does kill some people)
Is there any possibility for us to bridge the gap in opinions and come to any agreement then, that yes some people died but it was not as bad as predicted? Originally I read redditors predicting hundreds of millions of deaths… nothing like that panned out. Really the “minimalist” side doubts there were many deaths at all.
Not sure how progress on the topic can be made but anecdotally vaccinating or not seemed like a “nothingburger” and few people died either vaccinated or not
You have a lot of misunderstandings here. The things people did to combat COVID, especially the social distancing and mask wearing, were even more effective against the flu.
And though people do die of the flu, COVID dwarfed those deaths. Here’s a chart showing flu deaths and COVID deaths for the first couple years.
We had a chance of getting herd immunity by getting the population vaccinated and eliminating it like polio, but anti-science politics squashed that idea.
mask wearing I doubt is that effective; “social distancing” certainly.
there’s no way to confirm those deaths are all “covid” related; I concede the stress of a “pandemic” as well as impoverishment created by artificial lockdown mandates indeed probably did create temporary worse outcomes though.
polio was tackled more by sanitation than vaccines, it is contrarily argued: https://www.organiclifestylemagazine.com/how-plumbing-not-vaccines-eradicated-disease
Okay, the number of excess deaths (more deaths than usual) had a curve like that - what do you think was responsible? At the time that people were filling hospitals with respiratory issues and testing positive for COVID? Why do you think doctors were putting COVID as the cause of death?
You seem like someone who has accepted a narrative that COVID wasn’t so bad and are willing to ignore the mounds and mounds of data that says otherwise.
I think I already mentioned the stress of concern of being in a “pandemic”, as well as poverty from job dislocation as other possibilities. Also people have thought they miscounted too many people as “covid deaths” if they simply died while having covid (could have died from a heart attack, but if they had covid, it was a “covid death”). Also, where do the numbers even come from, could they be independently verified? There was speculation the numbers were not accurate: https://www.westernjournal.com/right-experts-confirm-covid-deaths-massively-inflated-actual-numbers-dramatically-lower-official-count/
The “disease” had a 99%+ rate of survival… a lot of people classify that as “not bad”. Example article acknowledging the number but trying to spin why it’s still bad: “VERIFY: Yes, COVID-19 has a 99% survival rate …” https://www.wcnc.com/article/news/verify/verify-covid-19-survivability-rate/275-a4cda9a3-4a33-49f2-8977-6d2b5265d8a8
Nobody cares what you doubt whatsoever because you’ve shown yourself to be deliriously stupid throughout this entire thread. “Here is a source with a not-at-all ominously bland name proving ALL OF SCIENCE AND MEDICINE WRONG” says the moron.
Three decades ago I learnt that covering your mouth when you cough helps stop spreading germs. I was a toddler and you still haven’t reached that level of intelligence. Reading a children’s science book would blow your tiny mind.