With five million square feet of available space across 47 office towers, downtown Toronto is becoming a tenant’s paradise - and an investor’s potential nightmare

  • GingaNinga
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    309 months ago

    Lets turn them into office paintball arenas.

      • GingaNinga
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        99 months ago

        I’ve actually heard it’s incredibly difficult to retrofit office space into condos/apartments.

        • @[email protected]
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          149 months ago

          *to profitably retrofit.

          Office buildings have too much “inside space”. Regulations, and human life, requires windows for residential living areas, so this inside space is “wasted” in office to apartment refits. There are tons of great ideas on what to do with this space in terms of community space, but very few profitable ones. Once commercial rents crashe and these buildings lose most of their values you’ll be surprised what becomes profitable again lol.

          • @whotookkarl
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            109 months ago

            It seems like the obvious answer is to put facilities and businesses in the same buildings instead of nearby. Medical, convenience/light grocery, school rooms, some community centers, civil services, storage, remote work spaces, etc.

            • @[email protected]
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              49 months ago

              I definitely think this is a great answer, with the only caveat being that working in a space that doesn’t have windows all day is pretty lame. I’d like to see what that would look like.

              I believe the hurdle for that might be regulatory. For good reason in my opinion because mixing residential and commercial/retail on the same indoor floor has a lot of unique considerations that I’m not sure have been looked at. Letting real estate hedge funds decide based on profit only will be a nightmare lol

        • @[email protected]
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          109 months ago

          Plumbing, apparently, is one issue—residential buildings typically need much more of it than office buildings do. Not an insurmountable problem, but costs $$ to overcome.

          • @[email protected]
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            39 months ago

            The 2 projects I witnessed had to re-do the plumbing, electrical, elevators, fire detection/sprinklers, HVAC, and exterior glass, in addition to gutting every interior wall and doing a full asbestos removal.

            It was a lot of work, over several years, but they now have full residential occupancy, so it seems to have worked out.

        • @[email protected]
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          39 months ago

          I’ve actually heard it’s incredibly difficult to retrofit office space into condos/apartments.

          It is. Difficult, time consuming and expensive.

          But even with that, I’ve seen a couple happen that seem to have been sucessful.

          It took them almost 3 years between commercial tenants leaving and residential tenants moving in, but it from what I can tell, it appears to have been sucessful.

          • GingaNinga
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            19 months ago

            I actually used to live in a loft that was a former sears warehouse, it was pretty cool. Had lots of character.

    • IninewCrow
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      59 months ago

      Gladiatorial arenas … where investors can fight one another to death for ownership … broadcast the events on pay-per-view and make money on the events

    • @Akareth
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      19 months ago

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