• @[email protected]
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    237 months ago

    Most of the southern US won’t stone you or murder you in broad daylight though.

    Since October 1st 2023, 20 trans people in the US are known to have died from violence. Almost half of them died in the south (as defined by the US census). Are trans people in the south any safer for it happening under cover of night? Pretending for a moment none of them were killed in broad daylight (some were).

    Again, nobody is saying it excuses bigotry. Only a fucking idiot thinks bombing hospitals, schools, and civilians is going to somehow improve the lives of LGBT Palestinians (who everyone somehow neglects to give a shit about in these conversations except as a cudgel against western LGBT people).

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      Since October 1st 2023, 20 trans people in the US are known to have died from violence. Almost half of them died in the south (as defined by the US census). Are trans people in the south any safer for it happening under cover of night?

      Yes, trans people in the US are safer than in Palestine. Jesus Christ.

      https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/415610_WEST-BANK-AND-GAZA-2022-HUMAN-RIGHTS-REPORT.pdf

      spoiler

      Violence against LGBTQI+ Persons: There were reported cases of violence,
      criminalization, or abuse based on sexual orientation and gender identity in the
      West Bank. OHCHR and NGOs reported Hamas security forces in Gaza harassed
      and detained persons due to their sexual orientation or gender identity. Both noted,
      however, that such cases were rarely reported, especially in Gaza, because of
      concerns about protecting the safety those involved.
      OHCHR observers reported PA security officers harassedand sometimes arrested
      individuals due to their sexual orientation or gender identity. LGBTQI+
      individuals were also victims of targeted hate crimes and violent acts. Media
      reported that Ahmed Abu Markhiya, a gay Palestinian, was killed by decapitation
      in Hebron on October 5. Abu Markhiya had been residing in Israel for several
      years under a humanitarian permit reportedly because of death threats he received
      while living in the West Bankand was awaiting approval of an asylum application
      to Canada, according to media reports. Palestinian police made an arrest and
      continued an investigation intothe killing.
      Media reported that lesbians in the West Bank and Gaza concealed their sexual
      orientation due to fear they would be killed by their families.
      The PA failed to protect members of the LGBTQI+ community. After an attack on
      members of the community at the Al Mustawde restaurant earlier in the year, the
      PA did not make any attempts to hold the culprits accountable for their action.
      Discrimination: The PA does not provide protection for or prohibit
      discrimination against the LGBTQI+ community. Homosexuality is widely
      considered to be taboo in areas under PA control and in Gaza.
      Activities associated with the LGBTQI+ community were met with strong
      opposition, and the Palestinian police often acted to prevent these activities. As a
      result of this and other discriminatory conduct, the LGBTQI+ community in the
      West Bank was driven underground and had no vocal representatives or NGOs
      willing to speak in the West Bank, according to observers. Similarly, in Gaza,
      according to observers, there was no visible LGBTQI+ community. Observers
      reported that human rights organizations in Gaza did not monitor and refused to
      address LGBTQ+ issues.
      Availability of Legal Gender Recognition: There is no legal method for
      correcting gender markers on identity documents.
      Involuntary or Coercive Medical or Psychological Practices Specifically
      Targeting LGBTQI+ Individuals: According to media reports, family members
      of LGBTQI+ individuals subjected them to involuntary or coercive medical,
      psychological, and religious practices throughout the West Bank and Gaza. Media
      reported that a Palestinian man confronted his son, age 18, after finding messages
      on the son’s mobile phone between him and another young man suggesting a
      same-sex relationship. The son claimed his father attacked him, beat him, and
      renounced him. The father forced him to meet with a cleric weekly until he
      attempted unsuccessfully to kill himself, according to the report.
      Restrictions of Freedom of Expression, Association, or Peaceful Assembly:
      The PA in cases limited freedom of expression, association, and peaceful
      assembly, although not explicitly based on sexual orientation or identity, and it
      tolerated such actions by vigilantes and armed militias. During the year, in the
      West Bank, peaceful assemblies and gatherings attended by LGBTQI+ individuals
      were disrupted. For example, the Warehouse (event space) in Ramallah was
      closed after a campaign of incitement, hate speech, and assault, which followed a
      June 17 attack on the venue and cancellation of a musical performance because the
      artist was “gay.” According to media reports, the attackers circulated a video on
      social media and, following the violent attack, targeted the performance space with
      an incitement campaign based on a false account of the events and the place.
      According to media, approximately 200,000 social media users participated,
      leaving thousands of hate-filled comments and incitement to murder (see 2.a.,
      Academic Freedom and Cultural Events).

    • @SupraMario
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      -67 months ago

      So 20 from hate crimes? Or just 20 from all violence? Because those who are found out to be LGBTQ+ in the middle east, are killed because they’re LGBTQ+, and often in very violent ways.

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        147 months ago

        Some states don’t even have LGBT hate crime legislation, and until recently (like, last year) multiple southern states didn’t. There’s no federal requirement for states to report the number of LGBT hate crimes that happen yearly. So until that change there is no concise way of answering both how many trans people died from general violence and how many from hate crimes. But anyone who thinks the answer to that is zero isn’t paying attention.

        I’m also not sure that the trans people murdered in the US get any solace from ‘only’ being shot or stabbed, or that the distinction helps anyone LGBT in the US or Palestine who is hate crimed.

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            77 months ago

            They obviously aren’t the same. Anyone denying that the south is dangerous for LGBT people (trans people particularly) is just fucking stupid.

            • @SupraMario
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              By your logic the entire USA is dangerous to LGBT people, as you said it yourself half happened in the south, but acting like people in the south are hunted down and arrested or murdered is bullshit.

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                If it’s legal for you to piss in public restrooms in all 50 states then I’m really not interested in how hysterical you think someone who can’t do that is being.

                Btw, here’s a story about a trans man who was arrested after being assaulted for following the owner’s instructions on which bathroom to use.

                If you have no idea what kind of issues trans people in the US face on the regular it’s okay to just say that.

                • @SupraMario
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                  -27 months ago

                  And I’m not interested in you trying to compare the usa to the middle east. Your article btw has the guy getting arrested because he was drunk and fighting police, not because he was transgender. None of that should have happened at all.

                  Just a note, that happened in Ohio, which last I checked wasn’t in the southern US.

                  I absolutely know the bullshit trans people go through, I have family and friends who are trans and LGBTQ. It’s a shit world for them right now, but it’s nothing like the middle east.

                  • @[email protected]
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                    47 months ago

                    My man I am trans and from the south. There is not a combination of words you’re going to be able to use to be able to convince me that somehow my entire life experience is wrong and some random cis person on the internet who may or may not have even been to the south actually knows what it’s like better than me, no matter how many LGBT people you know. If you’re such an ally maybe try researching and listening to a trans person who had to flee the south over how dangerous it is to live there as an openly queer person.

                    Your article btw has the guy getting arrested because he was drunk and fighting police

                    Neat how you left out the part where everyone involved was drinking and the only person to get arrested was trans. Wowee, what a coincidence! Such ally! The care you have for the queer people in Palestine and the US who are brutalized is really showing.

                    Do not contact me again.