Hello everyone!
I have a thinkpad t420 (without a discrete gpu) and I am hitting up to 95℃ on a full cpu load (for example, writing large files to a zstd=15 btrfs filesystem on a LUKS volume), even in my very cold room (I am wearing three sweaters as I’m typing this). Everyday tasks like watching videos bring me up to around 65℃. I got this laptop second-hand, but pretty sure the former owner has never repasted it.
So, is it a good idea to replace the thermal paste to improve cooling? If so, what thermal paste should I go with? I have Arctic mx-4 on hand, would that be an improvement? What about liquid metal?
Also, for my own understanding, I would be grateful if someone answers these questions: does thermal paste “dry out” over time? Is there such a thing as a “bottleneck” when it comes to cooling? For example, could it be that upgrading the thermal compound won’t yield lower temps, because the heat pipes or the fan are the bottleneck?
Thank you in advance.
EDIT: I disassembled the laptop, cleaned out the fan/finstack with a hair dryer (on no-heat setting while holding the fan in place), cleaned out the old paste with ear swabs and rubbing alcohol (although isopropyl alcohol would have been better), and applied a fresh portion of arctic mx-4. I tightened down the cooler, then removed it again, covered up a little corner of the die that didn’t get covered, and tightened the cooler down for the final time. Now I don’t go above 78℃ even when doing an all-core torture test with mprime (in the same cold room). Thank you to everyone that helped!
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Yes, thermal paste goes bad over time but that’s like 3+ years. (Edit, wowzer 12+ years. Change that out.)
I doubt you’ll see noticeable differences between thermal pastes but yes, some are better than others. That’s really more of an overclocking focus.
Have you cleaned the intakes and fans? A little dust can make a surprising difference, hence it is recommended to do yearly.
Have you cleaned the intakes and fans? A little dust can make a surprising difference, hence it is recommended to do yearly.
If you have pets that shed I would do it more if possible. I always end up with cat hair clogging up the fins.
Don’t have pets, and the last time I took apart the laptop, it seemed pretty clean, but I’ll check again. Thanks for the tip!
Last time I took apart the laptop, it seemed pretty clean, but I’ll check again. Thanks for the tip!
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Okay, good to know. Thanks! Kinda tempted to go for liquid metal tho, just for the meme.
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Pedantic note, but most laptop processors, including mine, don’t have an IHS. Most laptop processors, even socketed ones, are just a bare die making contact directly to the heatsink/heatpipe. As far as I know, the only time you’d find an IHS in a laptop is in those monstrous “desktop replacement” machines that take desktop processors.
But anyway, thanks for warning me!
For anyone in the future that stumbles upon this thread: since there’s no IHS (integrated heat spreader), you have to make absolutely sure that the thermal paste covers the ENITIRE die area. Modern processors have a higher thermal output per unit area than the average kitchen stove, so even if there is a tiny spot left, it can cause damage. (source: heard it on Linus Tech Tips)
The differences in thermal paste brands is pretty minimal. It does dry out over time. What I think is more likely is that your fan’s air ducts have become clogged with hair and dust. That’s probably the biggest issue with your cooling.
Tech ages like milk, not wine. Seems like a lot of effort for something that will be crippled by the creep of software’s hardware demands sooner rather than later regardless of it’s thermal management.
If the developer can’t be bothered to optimize it, then it’s not worth my time. They can “demand” all they want, but it won’t change the fact that 8GB and 4 cores at 3.2 GHz is all you need for everyday use. Also, where would I even buy a laptop with VGA out (which doubles as a breadboard-compatible i2c master for impromptu hardware hacking), a full-size ethernet port, and a CD drive nowadays? Modern laptops are utter trash in every metric apart from raw performance. Even “consumer friendly” brands like Framework are pretty meh simply because hardware support is not all the way there yet. Issues with resume/suspend and so on. None of that on my trusty thinkpad. Not to mention that sh*ntel has made it impossible to disable their m*nagement engine on newer processors, and that crap glows brighter than a supernova.
You are entirely right though, technology doesn’t get better with time. It’s just that in the context of laptops, newer technology has been progressively getting crappier, making older stuff look better in comparison.
