• @Entheon
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        141 year ago

        Honest question? Are libertarians that bad? I don’t agree with their ideology but are they that bad at a personal level too?

        • @Darkard
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          561 year ago

          When your movement centers around not having “society” tell you whats right and wrong and you can do whatever you want, people who don’t like being told the things they like are bad will be drawn to it.

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        • @gsa32
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          391 year ago

          Most so-called “Libertarians” are Republicans who want to smoke weed

          • xerazal
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            231 year ago

            And employ people, even children, for the lowest wages possible.

            • shuzuko
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              161 year ago

              But but but, those children should be able to choose whether or not they work for slave wages! If they were worth more than that the free market would pay them better anyway! It’s an infringement of my sovereign citizenship to tell me I’m not allowed to scam and/or scare vulnerable minors into selling me their time and/or bodies!

              • Zoot
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                31 year ago

                That last bit very much grossed me out, and I’m confident you added it for a reason.

                • xerazal
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                  61 year ago

                  Probably because its accurate. They “think of the children”, alright. Every. Damn. Night.

        • @synthy
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          161 year ago

          Not sure if this has anything to do with it, but Lemmy.ml is moderated by communists, and I don’t think they get along with libertarians.

          • @[email protected]
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            211 year ago

            To be clear, “libertarian” originally referred to what we would now call anarchists, or anarcho-communists. But at this point, the word has been pretty completely coopted by those on the right tending toward the very different ideology of anarcho-capitalism. Statist communists and anarchist communists have their own internecine conflicts, but both hate the current right wing libertarians.

          • @Entheon
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            51 year ago

            Yeah that would definitely cause an issue lol

        • @[email protected]
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          There are different ideologies that fall within the broad spectrum of “Libertarianism” as it is used in America. They are all bad, but some are “misguided but good at heart” (and better than, say, a Democratic-establishment Liberal) while others are “you have to be a literal sociopath to believe this”. The latter tend to get signal-boosted more because they get funding from right-wing foundations and think-tanks.

          Most ordinary people who identify as “Libertarians” would be Socialists of some sort but have been brainwashed by Capitalist propaganda that Socialism is bad and evil and is also when the government does stuff, and the government is bad, so Socialism is bad.

          The logical extreme of Libertarian thought is Anarcho-Capitalism: the belief in the Non-Aggression Principle (that no-one should ever restrict another’s freedoms, including their freedom to use their private property as they see fit), that coercion does not exist, contracts are sacrosanct, and that people have an absolute right to control what happens with the things that they own. This of course runs contrary to things like “Worker’s Rights” or “Anti-Discrimination Laws”; and is also where a lot of the Pedophilia stuff comes from, since children are either (1). property of their parents (in which case the parents, as their owners, should be allowed to abuse or prostitute them) or (2). free actors in society (in which case they should be allowed to give consent or prostitute themselves). The ultimate issue with Anarcho-Capitalism is that its logical endpoint is Neo-Feudalism: if you own land, you have the right to dictate what the people living on that land are allowed to do while living there; there are no Tenant’s Rights (in fact, like I said before, the only right you have under Anarcho-Capitalism is your freedom to act as you please on your own property, with your own property, without interference from others). Thus, Landlords become a new sort of feudal government, with complete power over their fiefdoms.

          There’s also Randian Objectivism, which is a rationalist philosophy whose main influence on modern Libertarianism is the Randian Ubermensch: living your life independently, to the pursuit of your own happiness (and only your own happiness), without care for the social rules of society at large. Batman’s creators have cited Randian Objectivism as a major influence; Batman is the archetypical Randian Ubermensch: wealthy, white, egotistical, and living outside of society and its rules and laws (while benefiting from them).

          There are more moderate forms of Libertarianism that believe in things like Net Neutrality (that the internet, like a public service, should treat all traffic through it equally, not giving preference to certain sites or companies) or the Right to Repair (the right to repair something you own personally, rather than having to take it to a licensed repairman). It’s important to note that both of these run contrary to Anarcho-Capitalism: under Anarcho-Capitalism, an ISP has a right to treat traffic through its tubes however it sees fit; and a company can lease its products with whatever anti-repair clauses it wishes. There’s also Right to Roam, which is very popular in Europe (but less so in the states), the idea that you should be allowed to travel through private land, as long as you do not mistreat it.

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            • @[email protected]
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              No-one has thought of Anarchists when they hear the word “Libertarian” for over 20 years and no amount of complaining on the internet about how the word was stolen will bring it back.

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        • @[email protected]
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          91 year ago

          Some are just young and/or naive. If you don’t think past the surface it makes sense. It’s (American) conservativism with less hate. And it’s another tool to manipulate people into supporting lower taxes on the rich.

          It’s appealing at a glance because the first thing kids notice about it is that you don’t have to hate gays for no reason.

        • @[email protected]
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          51 year ago

          I dont think there is a requirement for them to be “bad” but theres a lot of them who are and the ideolog kinda supports being a douche.

        • @[email protected]
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          41 year ago

          It’s hard to answer this question because libertarians and socialists are like water and oil. That said, things like the end of intellectual property and abolition of the police are points that I see both sides agreeing (there might be more points, but I can’t remember right now).

          The problem is that aside from a few of the original writers (like Mises or Hayek, examples from the top of my head), most libertarians out there on par, or even more than tankies in their fanatism. But maybe that’s a problem with most big movements anyway.

        • @IronDonkey
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          21 year ago

          No. Most people are decent people, even the people with dumb political ideas.

          • @Entheon
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            11 year ago

            I don’t make assumptions like that usually. There are some groups that have lots of corruption within, just didn’t know if I missed the memo on libertarians.

        • G234323
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          01 year ago

          Not really. Internet has distorted the reality. I have talked with lots of them in person and online outside of social network that are all day talking about politics and nothing to do what memes make it seem. Also if you look at right wing memes you will find they are accusing left wing people to be pedos(but same applies). In resume, memes like that don’t represent reality, its just a “cultural war” that is used to throw shit against the “other side”.

    • @[email protected]
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      Because it’s the libertarians flashing their dicks in front of children during the month of June

  • @[email protected]
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    Good thing it is banned in the EU or at least in the Netherlands 🇳🇱

    EDIT: It is not banned it needs to be approved by GDPR

        • @jd3
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          51 year ago

          Thank you for this integrity and wisdom. You win the Internet from long ago today! Lol

          • @[email protected]
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            41 year ago

            No point in fighting if my sources are not correct or It must be a Dutch thing that we must correct ourselves haha.

      • @GentooPhysicist
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        51 year ago

        What is GDPR approval? You just need to comply to the GDPR right?

        • @[email protected]
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          31 year ago

          Yup pretty much, they wouldn’t have made the regulatory requirements, so they chose not to release in the EU yet (i.e. not blocked in the EU). GDPR “approval” might not be the best term, but that’s how I’ve seen it represented in tech articles so far.

          The thing holding them back is sharing data cross app from what I’ve heard. Since Threads runs off Instagram accounts right now, but it’s still it’s own app, it’s sort of in a legal gray area, and given that they want to extend it to non-Instagram users as well it probably makes more sense to go for that first and then move for the EU release after they’ve made it fully GDPR compliant.

          • @BattBoi244
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            11 year ago

            They already don’t comply with it with FB lol, they have just got away with it for so long, believe it was mainly the the Irish regulators fault who is either some form of captured, anti-privacy or being bribed.

            But it went to the EU level board, not sure how all that works, who finally hit then with a $1.2 billion fine and the demand they come into compliance. So maybe it’s off the back of that as well has gave them some pause

            • @[email protected]
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              01 year ago

              So I work in Canadian tech as a Data Engineer and have some experience there and the 1.2B fine they got hit with is actually a lot more nuanced than it’s been represented and pretty problematic in general.

              Probably going to get downvoted for even linking it, but their response is unfortunately the only write-up I’ve seen that actually goes into detail:

              https://about.fb.com/news/2023/05/our-response-to-the-decision-on-facebooks-eu-us-data-transfers/

              The TLDR is that the Court of Justice of the EU invalidated the original form of data transfer for data from the EU to US, so everyone switched over to SCCs knowing there was legal uncertainty there, but with promises from the EU and US that they’d “figure it out” and come up with a joint decision on how to transfer data safely. The GDPR jumped the gun for a reason that nobody really knows, and slapped Meta with a fine that’s making thousands of companies who are basically forced to do the same thing (since no actual legal option exists) shit their pants.

    • @BattBoi244
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      11 year ago

      Seeing some articles reference the Digital Market Act, which seems to be around large platforms online, which seems to be more akin to competition law.

      They did launch it in the UK, which still has all the GDPR laws/principles, just outside the EU context. Then again maybe that means any enforcement activities by the UK would start from scratch. Or maybe the lack of recent UK enforcement activity encouraged them

  • @EmperorHenry
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    81 year ago

    Facebook sucks, don’t use any service made by them.

    We already have mastodon.

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    Threads when isolated from this community: GOOD.

    Threads when federated with this community: NOT GOOD.

    It is your choice whether to use it or not. The Fediverse is like the Linux of social media, I like it more here and on other fedi apps than on the corporate social media.

    • @jkure2
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      The amount of people who believe themselves and their interests safe from the totalizing influence of these companies really breaks my mind.

      Threads when isolated from this community: STILL NOT GOOD

      • @[email protected]
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        11 year ago

        Am I the only one who’s confused why it’s such a bad thing for Threads to federate?

        It’s just essentially be a really big instance. People can turn it off or go to instances that defederate from threads if they hate it.

        My potentially controversial (at least here) take is that the Fediverse needs a few mainstream players like Threads to flourish long-term. It’ll be some serious mainstream attention on what federated services offer, and also a shallow end of the pool that normal people can start their Fediverse journey in

        • Digester
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          @SneakyWaffles @jkure2 let them federate. I have nothing against that because it doesn’t take away the possibility to block them either on a federal level or to an individual level. If you don’t wanna see Thread’s content you can opt out at any time.

          I like how versatile the fediverse is and I welcome other platforms.

  • Avid Amoeba
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    Wait, shouldn’t it be:

    Threads on me harder daddy

    🤔

  • @5SpeedDeasil
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    41 year ago

    I saw this on Instagram but not really sure what it is

    • @[email protected]
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      31 year ago

      Threads is Meta’s (Facebook/Instagram’s) Twitter replacement, which they want to connect to the Fediverse, but most of the Ferdiverse doesn’t want them to.

      • @5SpeedDeasil
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        31 year ago

        Interesting. So I assume it’s suppose to be going up against Mastadon then? I honestly would be fine with it as long as they open source there server code but let’s be real, they won’t

        • Matt
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          11 year ago

          “Against” isn’t really the right word, as you don’t really compete on the fediverse.

          All the platforms on the fediverse work together by design, the introduction of more micro blogs is good for Mastodon and the rest; there’s already so many of them and you can talk to them through Mastodon, which is the way it should be.

          • z3k3
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            It is a meme using Metallica’s Don’t Tread on Me from the Black Album with the snake cover.

    • @Cheems
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      11 year ago

      Is this the cage fight that musk and zuck have been talking about?

  • @coldv
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    31 year ago

    Oh my god this is perfect!