Has there been changes to what games you choose to buy and play?

  • asteroidrainfall
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    1 year ago

    I remember the first time I came in contact with DLC, coincidentally it was my first Steam game: Supreme Commander 2.

    My first thought was: “What the fuck is this? Why isn’t this in the game?”. Later on, when DLC were getting more substantial, my thoughts changed to; ”Are they just rebranding Expansion Packs?”.

    As other people noted, I don’t care about cosmetics. Even for Dota 2, which I’ve put over a thousand hours in and have played it 10 years, I just sell them on the marketplace to fund my next summer sale. The only time I buy stuff is when I want to support the game’s development.

    My gaming time is too limited to worry about battle passes and shit like that. I just wanna click heads and farm creeps.

    Edit: the one thing that does bum me out though is that back before item shops and shit, skins and unlocks used to mean something. Like, you’d see some dude in your Halo 3 lobby with a dope-ass helmet and you knew that he earned that from getting a Killtacular with only deagle headshots. Now it’s just, dude’s level 150. He must’ve swiped for the ultimate edition, XP boosters, or has too much free time.

    • jonj
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      101 year ago

      Paying once for a game was so nice. You pay and then you can finish the game at a your own pace. There are still games like this but more often now even if you pay someone is always trying to get another 2.99 or 9.99 from you. Before you could get a cool skin because you did something now you pay.

      I take some satisfaction in always being the most boring character in a multiplayer lobby. In halo 3 I worked so hard for the samurai or ninja armour but now it feels like it isn’t part of the game at all.

      • parrot-party
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        41 year ago

        Getting updates has been extremely nice as well though. There’s plenty of old games that had design issues or you wished something was a bit more fleshed out. Back then, you didn’t really expect much in the way of updates though. PC got some patches but it was mostly bugs. Console was totally stuck with what you got.

        While I’m not a DLC person, I can’t deny it can be fun watching a game you play continue to evolve.

  • @[email protected]
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    131 year ago

    Dude we’re old af and don’t have time to finish the games themselves. We sure as shit don’t have time to play extra levels on top.

  • NotTheOnlyGamer
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    121 year ago

    It pushed me straight back to uncompromising piracy, and a total refusal to give money for any reason unless the game is fully offline and on physical media.

    • bvanevery
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      1 year ago

      I believe in piracy for “demo” purposes. If the studio “forgot” to provide an official demo, you as a consumer should take matters into your own hands and provide the ‘demo’. Delete it when you’ve played a ‘demo’s worth’, which did have a fairly industry standard meaning back in the day.

      When I became willing to play this 1 older game that shall remain nameless, and pay for it, I went looking for a Game Of The Year edition to pay for or some such. For some reason, this particular game never released a comprehensive GOTY. They expected you to download a quite silly amount of expensive DLC for trivial features. Slightly more powerful items in a RPG, basically. Those items even had the effect of ruining the game balance, so I’m not convinced it was even a good idea to have the DLC. Yet they expected you to pay for it sight unseen.

      This was all driven by some kind of big corporate trick or scumbagging. I think it was an EA published title. Because they were clearly being greedy with an older title, I said to hell with them. It is one of the only games I’ve played in its entirety, that I didn’t pay for, that wasn’t abandonware. If you’re gonna be like that and your price on goods is not reasonable, I don’t feel I have to cooperate with you.

      Now that I know what’s going on with DLC games, and also the low level of quality that’s going to result when a publisher engages in such practices, I’m not likely to seek a ‘demo’ of such a game at all. I will probably retain my demo only, not pirating purity in that regard. But to the extent I’ve ever been impure, that once, it was directly driven by the DLC. I was like waaaat, srs, gtfo.

  • patchw3rk
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    61 year ago

    When I played World of Warcraft, you had no cosmetics. It was the monthly subscription and the odd expansion. Everything in the game was accessible if you were willing to put the time and effort into it. Some content was very long so you really had to pick what you wanted. Some people had special fishing gear, some people had a fancy mount, and others had fancy titles.

    While some of that still remains, I find way too much is accessible with money in most games. There’s good and bad. You have games constantly push out new content, refreshing gameplay, and skins to pay for it. On the other hand, you have games that just try to milk their customers. I’d say 99% of mobile games are absolute disgraces.

    The other facet is that I’m older now. I don’t have the absolute freedom that comes with being a child. If I can pay an extra dollar to progress a bit quicker, maybe that’s better for me? I don’t know.

  • BEEKAYRANDEE
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    61 year ago

    Unfathomably annoying, especially when it comes to modding games. The amount of times I’ve had mods or settings break because of some update that added useless content that I don’t want is honestly disgusting. For the most part, I’ve stopped buying games near their release date because I’d rather buy the game when it’s more feature-complete. The DLC scenario has become an issue in that it effectively translates to, “You will not get the game’s content in it’s entirety upon purchase”, which is unthinkable in other scenarios.

    Imagine going to a restaurant and paying the price of a meal just to be seated. If you want appetizers like chips and salsa, it costs $9.99 per bowl. Drinks (including water) are $5.99. Both for the appetizers and for the meal, you pay the waiter first, sides are $2.50 extra. After purchase, they’ll give you an estimated wait time for your food, which may be delayed for any reason or cancelled altogether, even though you’ve already paid for it. The food comes out but it’s not what you ordered, the meat is undercooked, the portions are significantly smaller than advertised, or it’s actually a different dish altogether. You attempt to complain to the waiter, wanting to get the food you promised. The waiter tells you “Thanks for the feedback!” and leaves, never to be seen again. You hear grumblings from others around you that they’re having the same problems. What they ordered is not what they got, or something hasn’t been made properly. One guy waited all evening before they finally delivered enough food, piece-by-piece, to make up the meal he ordered. Eventually, after enough people have complained, the waiter comes back and gives everyone silverware. Nothing changes about anyone’s meals, but you now have silverware (even though you likely already had some before).
    You leave the restaurant, annoyed, with less money, and still hungry. You later find a social media post from the restaurant’s cook complaining that their customers are self-entitled and are “expecting too much”.

    TL;DR - Its like fast food, but without the “fast”.
    … Or the “food”…

  • StarServal
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    51 year ago

    I’ve observed what I believe to be a fundamental shift over the design approach to games. Now this may just be my different views of the world as I grew up, but maybe there’s at least a kernel of truth.
    DLC was originally a good thing because it added additional content to your favorite games, giving you more of what you love. Prior to DLC, we had something called Expansions which kind of served the same purpose (in a mostly offline capacity). Then, someone got the bright idea of changing things from a content-focused approach to a monetize-focused approach. Suddenly you started seeing content stripped from the game to be sold back to you at additional cost. This is where I see the industry start shifting to avoid risk and homogonizing their titles while stripping as much as is viable to monetize. Now you have microtransactions (MTX) instead of cheat codes, DLC restoring cut content instead of providing new content, special editions to give you back your physical goods, early access instead of demos, preorder bonuses to get you to buy before you try.
    Now don’t get me wrong, there was always a desire driven by making money present in the industry. Most arcades were designed around brutal difficulty and unavoidable game overs to drain more quarters from you. Console games saw this take shape in the form of short-devepment licensed titles (or shovelware as it’s coloquially known). The brutal difficulty of early console games was more of a leftover from that arcade game design philosophy, but didn’t serve the same purpose here. However, there was a gradual shift from making money from making games to making games to make money as the industry grew.
    I feel like the soul of video games development has been lost from all but the small indie developers who still do things for the love of it. The largest “triple A” publishers don’t give a damn about video games, video games development, gamers, or their own product so far as it provides a return on investment. People like Kotick would eagerly and uncaringly destroy the entire video game industry if it meant a way to profit. There’s no soul there.

    As for post-launch updates, it’s a complicated answer. Prior to updates, what you got was what you got, unless the publisher/developer designed to release an updated version. Since this was costly to do, it rarely happened, but it did happen on occasion; usually with games that had severe game-breaking bugs. Being able to patch a game after it released was, like DLC, both a good thing and a bad thing. Good in that it addressed bugs and made for a better overall product. Bad in that it allowed downgrading of a product, such as when a music licensed expired (See GTA). Additionally, I think that publishers/developers have become far too reliant on this function to push out bad products with the intent to fix it after launch. This is, in my opinion, fraud as they are selling consumers a known-defective product with the promise that they may fix it later. But, that’s not for me to decide legally speaking.

    So to address the original intent of the question, I tend to stick with what I know and avoid big name publisher titles unless they aren’t riddled with soulless monetization. I also tend to wait for reviews rather than preorder so that I know I’m not buying defective trash. That’s how I cope.

  • Potatomache
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    41 year ago

    I wait for deep sales now. That usually comes with the downside that the game isn’t as hyped up or commonplace, but on the flipside, it’s been patched and surely someone on the internet has fixes to any issues that may arise.

    I do buy into monetization sometimes, but I tend to budget it very tightly and only go for cheap skins, or novelty gacha characters.

  • Skray
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    41 year ago

    I grew up with expansion packs being the norm.
    There are very few memorable games from my childhood that didn’t have expansion packs, and I think for many games DLC is the modern version of an expansion pack. Although DLC varies quite a bit.

    Obviously there are good pieces of DLC and bad ones, and it can be hard to tell what’s what. Day 1 DLC can be a big offender, but I do remember the days where games had content in them that wasn’t finished.
    Baldur’s Gate 2 has a mod called Unfinished Business that modders finished up the content, and there is the famous Ascension mod that rewrites much of the ending of the expansion, the funny thing with this mod is that the creator was David Gaider of Bioware, one of the writers and directors of Baldur’s Gate 2, due to his feelings that the expansion was unfinished he released a mod to fix his problems with it.

    I don’t see either thing happening in today’s gaming world, that unfinished content can be finished before the game is released and then sold as DLC, being unhappy with the game’s ending can be patched later on, or again sold as DLC.

    My annoyances with DLC are typically pre-order bonuses, especially if they’re exclusive to stores. And if they’re selling very important story based content on Day 1.

    I don’t mind additional story content coming later, because that seems so similar to the expansion packs of years ago.

    A good comparison is Mass Effect. Lair of the Shadowbroker I think is a fine DLC, it’s not largely important to the plot of ME2, but it’s a good side quest that is important to the character and was released about 9 months after the launch of the game.
    But From Ashes in ME3 I think was terrible, it was Day 1 DLC and featured an extremely important and lore significant character locked behind an additional paywall.

    That said, I do have some annoyances with DLC:
    An abundance of cosmetic DLC in single player games is whatever for me, but if the game doesn’t have a way to unlock other cosmetics in game, it feels like a cheap cash grab.
    Pre-order DLC especially if it’s store-exclusive and ESPECIALLY if it’s not available for purchase later- I would like the ability to have a complete game.
    Having to wait for all DLC to come out before I can feel like I’m playing a complete game. Although this isn’t always new, as things like the D2 Battle Chest, Neverwinter Nights Platinum Edition or Heroes of Might and Magic 3: Complete Edition existed when I was a kid as well, where we were buying individual expansion packs as they released or we waited for the special editions.

  • tal
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    The rough equivalent to large DLC existed way back before one downloaded content – one just got the sequel.

    The line between that and the later expansion packs was kind of fuzzy, in that a sequel and an expansion pack could be pretty close in size.

    Also, it used to be very common, on the PC, to put out a demo to try a game. Today, that’s less common. I suppose to some extent the free-to-play+microtransactions model is just a logical extension of that.

    I don’t really think that the change has altered how I play much. I didn’t get small DLC then, and I haven’t played games where I would now, though I’ve no fundamental objection to them. Just haven’t run into a game I’ve played where what’s on offer is really what I want.

    I’d be willing to buy more radio stations for Fallout 4 and similar games. Would like more music for Solaris too. When you play a game for a long period of time, the existing stuff gets a bit old, and both shipped with good soundtracks. But for whatever reason, game studios never seem to sell “audio expansion packs” and just leave that up to modders.

    EDIT: I guess rhythm games probably sell audio expansion packs, but I’m not super-into the genre.

    EDIT2: I have picked up DLC that’s smaller than expansion packs necessarily were, on further reflection. Paradox makes a lot of games with DLC that wouldn’t constitute an expansion, for example. Rimworld’s DLC wouldn’t be an expansion.

    But the extreme a la carte “buy an outfit” thing or “buy a character” or similar just never seemed to have anything that I liked.

  • RiikkaTheIcePrincess
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    31 year ago

    The adjustment? What adjustment 🤣

    That is to say, I basically just didn’t. Sometimes I’ll grab a DLC that adds something I particularly want but usually I play the game first and then it’s a waste because I don’t actually go back through to play the DLC stuff :| :-\ And microtransactions… ugh. So often they’re not micro, and never are they actually independent of the game itself when they have any mechanical effect. It’s never “Here’s the game, but if you wanna skip a bit you can pay for that” but rather “Here’s the game, slowed down by 30%. If you want that 30% back then pay up!” Gross. Fair cosmetics (that is, it’s still possible to play the dressup minigame without paying (/more) for it) to support an indie or free-to-play thing are fair, though, I think.

  • @ext23
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    31 year ago

    I have never purchased a single microtransaction. I don’t see the appeal of having a green shirt, or paying to win (buying in-game currency that I can use to level up, etc.). The second one in particular just defeats the purpose of why I play games (to learn to get good at them and exercise my skill). Any game that prevents me from winning using skill alone is not even a “game” as I would define it.

    DLC is different. These days I rarely buy games on release. I wait for the dust to settle with frothy g4mers complaining about review scores and woke characters, and for all the inevitable QoL patches etc. to roll through, and pick up the game later on at a steep discount. For a number of reasons, I only play single player games, so missing out on the initial influx of players doesn’t bother me, and I have a mammoth backlog anyway. If the base game was cheap and I enjoyed it, then I’ll think about getting DLC. My favourite game is Nioh 2, and the three expansions for that game are all very substantial. I paid $15 or something for the base game and then like $20 for the season pass later on.

  • Montagge
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    31 year ago

    I don’t care for how games are now. I’d rather Kentucky windage bugs than half the dev team monetizing nonsense.

  • RandomStickman
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    31 year ago

    DLCs, when done right, aren’t the worst. Like others have said, it’s just expansion packs rebranded. The memes about selling you the rest of the game after releasing it was funny. It’s wild how people used to be up in arms about is what the norm is now.

    What I entirely missed the train on is the GaaS/season pass nonsense. I can’t wrap my mind around it.