I’m looking for a better TTRPG experience. Started with AD&D in satanic panic era, left, came back to 5E a half dozen years ago. Got a great group & GM but some things just don’t suit me. For one, wouldn’t mind being done with Hasbro. My biggest issues in D&D? Character regret, & swinginess. Rolling up a character idea that sounds fun, but in-game always seems to go some completely different direction & now I’ve got an established character everyone depends on but locked into an un-fun stat / ability set. And ALWAYS whatever my concept is I can’t seem to roll for crap in those stats even with the bonuses, failing check after check when it’s the one thing I should be good at. That should only be possible rarely IMHO. Goals: I want above to go away or be much weaker. I want to be able to introduce friends & family who are new & unsure, probably rules light? But I do like dice rolling & some structure, don’t know if a pure storytelling game would work. Can’t be purely abstract. I love a good campaign but also a lot of times just want to be a beer league player, sit down, go to a cave & smash stuff, without needing a complex story to it. Party needs gold, rescue the missing turtle, let’s get swinging. Have thought for a long time about maybe west marches type scenarios. Show up, solve problems, check boxes, bring a new sheet to the next game whenever. Would work great for some of the gang. Not at all adverse to player death. Sorry so long, love to hear opinions!
Recommend you check out dungeon world. It’s fairly rules light, it’s got a d&d feel, and you have all your “regular” d&d style classes.
It’s a “powered by the apocalypse” system, which means it utilizes a 2d6 rolling mechanic that leans towards success.
That is, generally speaking, it’s a graded scale. Roll 2d6, add modifiers. under 6 is failure, 7-9 is a “medium” success, and 10+ is a “great” success. It leans towards success because the average of 2d6 before modifiers is 7, the lowest success number.
One thing that might trip you up running it (I know it did me), is that enemies don’t get a “turn”. The enemy turn is essentially the player’s failures. You go in to attack and roll a 6? The enemy parries your attack and counters you.
Maybe FATE would be worth checking out?
Things I think it might hit for you:
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Characters are good at what they’re good at. You define the core concepts of your character and use them to get bonuses. Your character is a Highly Trained Ninja? Then yeah, you’ll be getting bonuses to all your sneaking, hiding, acrobatics, flashy martial arts, etc. Plus, the way the maths work, the dice have a bell curve centred at +0 (extremes of +4/-4) so the +4 in your character’s best skill is constantly having a huge impact on outcomes. Contrast that with your +7 in D&D which is still missing 25% of the time
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Fairly simple rules. The core is, describe what you’re trying to do, and then use one of four basic actions to model it if a roll seems appropriate: Attack, Defend, Overcome (beat a DC) or Create an Advantage (alter circumstances/environment/characters to tip the odds in your favour). However, there’s a little more for combat and also a meta currency to manage, which I’ll talk about below
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Very quick to get off the ground. Character creation can take only minutes if you want. No mucking about with long lists of feats and spells and class builds and whatnot. You’re actively encouraged to leave spots blank and fill them in during play when an idea strikes you, great for new and unsure players
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Completely setting agnostic, it’s flexible enough to do almost anything
Things I think it might miss for you:
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FATE’s approach is much closer to a story game, especially compared to something like D&D which leans towards the simulation side of the spectrum. Its meta currency, Fate points, aims to emulate the feel of an action movie or TV show. Spend points to do awesome things, get them back for accepting challenges, complications, and setbacks in your character’s arc. That latter point especially often means the table needs to have a “writer’s room” mentality, which isn’t a good fit for all players.
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FATE doesn’t really try to do certain things that D&D does, like strict resource management, accumulation of powerful loot, big powerful character level ups, or dungeon crawling. It can be done, and guides are out there to help you do so, but you will be bolting a lot of extras onto the system, so watch out if those are what you enjoy
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Which brings me to the last point, FATE is a system that really wants you to hack it and make it your own. It’s very resilient to this sort of thing compared to something like D&D where getting some maths wrong can make things unfun in innumerable ways, but it does take effort and thought regardless, which may not be to everyone’s taste. For example, you won’t really find a “bestiary” of monsters to throw at players, you’ll be making them up yourself, maybe entirely on the fly.
The rules are all freely available online or in pay-what-you-want PDFs. There are three current editions:
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FATE Core, all the rules of the game plus lots of extras, examples, optional systems, things like that
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FATE Condensed, all the rules same as Core, but with most of the extras cut out and overall streamlined down to 60 pages from 300 or so
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FATE Accelerated, uses the same basic ideas for its rules, but simplifies things down to the barest of minimums, e.g. dropping the skill list for 6 basic “approaches”, simplifying the damage system.
Here’s a link to FATE Condensed, as I personally found it easiest to start with: https://fate-srd.com/fate-condensed
One disclaimer: I haven’t actually played it myself yet, but I have been prepping a one shot I’ll be taking my D&D 5e group through this weekend to see if it’s going to be a good fit for us, so I have been doing a lot of research!
Fate is a good game and I think it’s more like what people who have never played RPGs imagine. DND really hammers certain creative impulses out of players.
You’ve probably all seen it. A new player is like “I want to jump on the railing and sing my sea shanty to get people going! We’ll turn them against the invaders!” -> “uh bob your fighter has 8 charisma and no proficiency. I guess you can roll for it?” -> "but my character has been a pirate for years! He has to know how to sing " -> "sorry, your backstory is pirate but your character mechanics are just fighter " -> “ok uh I guess I’ll just attack then”
THIS very much. Thanks!
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I’ve had tons of luck getting new people into ttrpgs through Traveller.
Players don’t need to know anything ahead of time, and character creation is part of the game. It’s the most fun part of the game, in my opinion. It can get absolutely bonkers. Sometimes I roll up characters just for fun using this.
The GM can introduce game mechanics as players roll up and work out their characters. By the time you begin proper gameplay, your players know enough to muddle through a session without a rules info dump making it feel overwhelming.
Is that the system where characters can die during character creation?
Lol yeah, that can theoretically happen. I think the second version of the core rulebook made it harder to pull off, though.
I’ve never died in character creation, but I did wind up in a prisoner loop once where I couldn’t manage to get paroled until I was like 90 👴
I think I may have seen Glass Cannon play this on New Game Who Dis? I thought it looked fun but isn’t there like massive heaps of stuff to roll up just to play? Not only your characters whole life so far but like the whole star system? I’ll admit I was intimidated.
Yes, but that’s all part of the first session! Character creation is playing in Traveller! 🤗 It’s usually most people’s favorite part, even. It’s collaborative and engaging, and shit can get really wacky and fun. I’ve had friends over just to roll up characters together that we had no intention of playing.
Gameplay rules seem like a lot, but it’s very step-by-step and spoon-fed to you. The GM needs to prep, obviously, but the flow is really intuitive. The core rulebook is loaded with tables to tell you what to do.
The star system bit is nbd. Just make that stuff up as you go and to suit your needs. You can totally play a game that follows Traveller canon and lore if you want (it’s pretty cool), but there’s no need.
And don’t let Glass Cannon freak you out! They have to ensure snappy pacing because they’re doing 90 minutes episodes that need to be enjoyable to passively listen to. Playing at home with your friends doesn’t come with that baggage.
That said, their permanent Traveller show called Voyagers of the Jump is very good. It’s a good companion to the rulebook for getting a sense of how to play.
In the original rules failing a survival roll meant your character died, yes, start over. This was (justly) derided by most. Very rapidly, though, this was amended in subsequent rules to be a choice between character death and character being forced to muster out mid-tour by injury with no skill roll (yes, you still got skills randomly…). (This was later changed to be only the injury, IIRC.)
As a fix it replaced one ludicrous scenario with another: the character who was forced to muster out due to a failed survival roll in their first tour, leaving a character with zero skills, for all practical purposes.
I would point you to Ironsworn. Possibly also Ironsworn:Starforged, its SciFi adapatation and rules version 1.5e. Nothing wrong with base Ironsworn, Starforged just is better.
While rooted in dark perilous fantasy that can be changed through description and presentation. At its core it’s a Powered by the Apocalypse system, just as Dungeon World is, and can open up that whole ecosystem with highly rated games such as Monster of the Week and Masks: A New Generation. Ironsworn is also free which removes a barrier to checking it out
What makes Ironsworn so great is that while its narrative/light roots from PbtA is still there it structures gameplay much more than others. Part of this is because it it made from the ground up to accommodate GM-less and solo play. So many of those small considerations the GM does are spelled out. Second is Ironsworn’s excellent new take on tracks. Instead of filling it up and once filled it is done it puts the fulfillment in the players hands. Once the fiction is such that it could have been completed the player can roll against its progress and see what falls out. Or they can push on, fill the tracker up more for a more sure result.
So all-in-all Ironsworn is a system born in the narrative PbtA tradition that further structures gameplay. A great system for questing campaigns.
I have a copy of Ironsworn but I’ve always thought it was basically solo? I will crack it open, thanks!
Solo, GM-less (co-op) or guided (with GM) all work well. The tools provided for GM-less/solo play also facilitates GMing. Almost autopilot.
Hey I know it’s been a minute. I appreciate all the suggestions! Some of these were already on my radar but no direct experience so, thank you! I’ve decided to grab some of my past 5e characters that I feel I know pretty well, throw together an equivalent in some of these systems, & try to solo them, see what I learn! If anyone wants to recommend good actual plays I’d love it!!? Prefer YouTube over podcast but either will do in a pinch. If I fall in love I’ll definitely come back & share! Happy Gaming!
And more stuff - possibly some teen/preteen players so at least need to have options to tone down / cut out extreme bloody sex horror. Also, I believe in rulesets & settings are separate things. Genre less important to me as fixing the problems I mentioned.
