“We need to shut the border.… The president could take executive action to do it today—doesn’t need more money. It needs action, and this is what’s disappointing to people, and that’s why Mayorkas is gonna pay this public relations price by being impeached for the first time since 1876,” Hill said.
Notably absent from Hill’s explanation was any description of high crimes and misdemeanors committed by Mayorkas. Hill all but admitted that, with the impeachment, Republicans are aiming to make Mayorkas the face of their anti-Biden, anti-immigrant campaign, despite his having not committed impeachable offenses.”
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Jordan Klepper did a segment on The Daily Show last night (it’s on YouTube) where he talked to Trump people and they want a dictator or a king. They come right out and say it.
And im sure they all still fancy themselves “patriots”.
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To be fair, most Democrats do too. They just want a dictator that is going to do the things they want, like banning certain forms of speech, or taxing billionaires out of existence.
Not many people really, truly want a lost constitutional framework where a consensus needs to be reached, and compromises made, in order to do things.
most Democrats do too. They just want a dictator that is going to do the things they want,
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The user doth projects too much.
It seems like they drink their own Kool aid on the both sides isms that they get worked up and think it’s a race. I only want a dictator because they do too, and I’ve got to get my guy in first.
I only want a dictator because they do too
I don’t want ANY dictators. I don’t want a president that can just make decrees because congress is deadlocked, regardless of whether or not I agree with those presidential decrees!
I’m agreeing with you, that last part is a projection of people who think that way
banning certain forms of speech
Democrats aren’t the ones on a book banning crusade.
Nice attempt at a both-sides though.
Republicans are banning age-appropriate books about gender identity and sexuality from schools and public libraries, yes. And it seems to me, a non-attorney, that it’s a clear 1A violation. I’m not disputing that at all. This is terrible, deeply harmful, and also wildly discriminatory against LGBTQ+ children.
But then you have California–a Democratic supermajority–trying to legislate unconstitutional 1A violations in regards to the internet. See here; you will note that courts have so far enjoined the law from going into effect because it’s a massive 1A violation for both minors–since children do have limited 1A protections–and adults. And before yous insist that that’s just California being California, no, New York state is trying to do the same sort of thing, all because, “won’t someone think of the children?!?” IMO, attempts to censor the whole internet because something might, potentially, ‘harm’ children through mere existence, is, arguably, worse, since that imposes significantly more limitations on children–and on adults!–then a school or public library.
I can not tell you how many times I’ve had to explain to liberals that there is no hate-speech exception to 1A, and that yes, advocating for genocide of the Jews is legally-protected speech that the gov’t can not censor.
Yes, you can legally say almost anything you want as an opinion (defamation is a thing however). Court of public opinion is totally different, and the public can totally choose to “cancel” you if they wish.
These guys always crack me up. They want their racial epithets and hate speech, and also want to be protected from any and all consequences of using such speech.
Hey, idiots - free speech does not mean freedom from consequences. There are always consequences for your actions. Get it through your thick skull, it’s shitty and wrong to be racist, and people will not like you for being racist when you act out, period.
I can’t believe this isn’t well understood but here we are. Fuckin snowflakes.
Of course. And that’s fine, I’ve got no objection to that at all. If I say something that’s deeply offensive and hateful, of course I deserve to be censured by people.
And yeah, I’ve been banned from Twitter and Reddit; the former for advocating the guillotining of billionaires, and the former for suggesting arson as a solution to Nazis. They’re both privately-owned spaces, and so that’s fine.
But that’s not what I’m talking about.
I’m talking about legitimate government censorship, and criminal penalties for politically unpopular speech. We’ve seen that in, for instance, in anti-BDS laws, which have passed in both Republican and Democratic states, and we’re seeing it with Republicans censoring what books libraries can have, and Dems trying to censor what children can see on Facebook.
Do any of them hold an elected office?
I’ll take some randos on the Internet against genocide vs actual elected officials trying to ban pronouns any day of the week.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Republicans ban pronouns&ko=-1&ia=web
Both sides are not the same no matter how badly you want to pretend they are.
This is such a strange take. Just because people think that the current system doesn’t work doesn’t mean they automatically jump to wanting despotism even if enlightened. People who throw up their hands at political gridlock and see it as a justification for dictatorship, and not as reasons to iterate and improve upon the existing system are weirdos.
That’s a whole lot of words to spend on a troll, friend.
Why do you believe this to be the case?
Don’t engage with bad faith arguments.
Fair, but if this person truly believes what they say it seems understanding why would be beneficial. Shunned people don’t just change their way of thinking because they are shunned, especially when groups of shunned people make their own groups and realities. Ignoring problems don’t make them go away. Understanding the root cause can go a long way in treating the problem though.
Okay, let’s start. I’ll address things that are solely covered under the Bill of Rights, either enumerated or implied.
A not insignificant number of liberal Democrats believe that speech they believe to be hateful should not be legally permissible. Things like, Fox News shouldn’t be allowed to broadcast, Nazis shouldn’t be allowed to hold rallies, etc. I’ve had the argument many, many times that there is no “hate speech” exception to 1A, and there shouldn’t be, since it was intended to protect unpopular and dangerous speech (…such as sedition against the king). (ETA - Many Dems actively mock the idea of freedom of speech/press/etc, e.g. “freeze peach”. Yes, the solution to free speech is more free speech).
A very large number of liberal Democrats believe that individual ownership of firearms should be banned or restricted to the point where it’s effectively banned. Gun control and support for wholesale bans is literally part of the party platform.
Certain Democratic majority states have passed laws preventing people that are protesting reproductive rights from getting too close to people using the clinics, or the clinics themselves.
I’ve absolutely seen liberal Democrats say that certain religious expression and practice by individuals and religious institutions should be banned under penalty of law, notably treatment of LGBTQ+ people by conservative religions. See also: “‘hate speech’ exception to 1A”.
Keep in mind that I do largely vote Democratic in national and state-level elections, but I’m personally more of a libertarian socialist. I vote Democratic because they’re more likely to do most of the things I want than Republicans.
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“Incitement” is a long-standing, widely-accepted exception to the first amendment not mentioned in the amendment itself. Just because the literal text of the document does not include an exception does not mean our legal system can not invent one. While I generally agree that speech should not be regulated outside of extreme circumstance, this is a very common human thing to want.
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No argument on the second amendment. I do believe that more needs to be done here, but banning firearms - effectively or otherwise - is simply not an option in the States.
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Your freedoms stop where another’s begin. I don’t see this as a reduction in freedom, it’s a protection of the freedoms of those who are being protested against. Defending against violence is not, strictly, an attack on freedoms.
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See previous point. Religious freedom must end where another’s life and liberty begin. While I generally agree that individuals and religious institutions should be allowed to freely practice their religion, this must be tempered by the individual rights of others. With specific respect to the LGBTQ+ community, many religious groups actively dehumanize and some actively promote violence against them.
I would argue that this situation ultimately boils down to a lack of understanding of authoritarian rule and the damage that can occur because of it. The American education system is largely gutted when it comes to history - our own and otherwise - and I believe this trend toward authoritarianism is largely due to that - and persistent class warfare by the Capitalist class, but that’s a different conversation, I think.
People don’t really learn about what happened in Nazi Germany, or Fascist Italy, or Imperial Japan, or the Soviet Union, or Communist China, or British India, or probably dozens of other examples I can’t think of off the top of my head.
- Incitement
Yes, I’m aware of what incitement is; I know about the Brandenberg decision. I’ve also had a number of liberal friends–not leftists–that think that a confederate flag stick on a truck counts as incitement, and that it should be banned.
I’d also like to point out that Dems have advanced a bill that would prevent Facebook, et al., from using algorithmic feeds, due to nebulous “won’t someone think of the children!” claims (I’d have to pull up the TechDirt and EFF articles about that to give you a citation). The flip side of that is Republicans keep passing “Don’t Say Gay” bills, which are also blatant 1A violations.
- Your freedoms stop where another’s begin.
Absolutely. I agree with you 100%. But it’s not about preventing violence (in this case; in many cases where cities and states are keeping competing protest groups apart, it is about stopping violence), it’s about keeping people who may be protesting loudly away from people that need reproductive care, because they feel intimidated, even if people aren’t touching/directing intimidating them or physically preventing them from accessing clinics.
- See previous point. Religious freedom must end where another’s life and liberty begin.
This one is fuzzy, because what if you’re ‘consenting’ (and I use the term loosely here, since I think that all religion is deeply coercive) to harm being done to your person? Take, for instance, conversion therapy, which has been completely banned in some states. What if your religion has taught you that all of your sexual desires are sinful, and you believe that conversion therapy will help you lead a reduced-sin life? And how exactly do you separate religious liberty out from these things, and allow religions to have their own doctrine, while also saying they can’t do harm? Like, for instance, the Westboro Baptist Church? They certainly have hateful doctrine and dogma, and I’ve definitely seen people saying that their religious freedoms should be clamped down on.
I would argue that this situation ultimately boils down to a lack of understanding of authoritarian rule
I don’t disagree at all. I’m generally anti-authoritarian, and generally quite far left. When I look at current Republicans, I see a group that is very highly authoritarian, and extremely economically and socially conservative. When I look at most current Democrats, I see moderate authoritarians, moderately economically conservative, and largely socially liberal. What I take issue with is people that say that Republicans are authoritarians, and Democrats are not, when that’s simply not accurate.
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They just want a dictator that is going to do the things they want
“They” being the majority of Americans. We want a constitutional framework that benefits everyone, not just a select few. That’s not wanting a dictatorship, it’s quite the opposite. Democrats and Republicans Are. Not. The. Same.
If we did get a benevolent dictator, the first thing they’d do is set up a democratic, constitutional framework for when they’re gone.
The whole reason the founders did all this is that dictatorships aren’t stable, and it’s bad for everyone in the end. The ruling class really enjoys keeping their heads.
Spreading power shallow and wide is the way to avoid guillotines and bloodshed.
The fuck you talkin about. Gtfo with that democrats do too.
You are forgetting about peaceful transition of power being a Democrat policy
The real “game” here is that they are trying to downplay the seriousness of impeachment. Because their orange clown was impeached twice.
So they’ll “impeach” anyone they think they can get away with to score points with their ignorant base and to make it seems less serious.
It’s really shitty and un-American.
Yeah I really think this is it. I’m sure it was another directive from Trump to get more impeachments so he can muddy the waters at the rallies. I’m a little surprised they haven’t drummed up a Biden impeachment yet so he can prance around with that one too.
That’s simple and evil enough that it may just work.
It works like a charm.
Go to a GOP state right now and ask 100 people who Mayorkas is. I will give $100 for every response that is little more than a confused look.
Now go to those same GOP voters in about 24 hours, after they’ve gotten their daily dose of Fox News and Trump’s dollar-store-twitter knock-off. I’ll give you another $100 for every response that isn’t how suddenly Mayorkas is the root of all evil and the source of all their problems and needs to be impeached because orange man said so.
These people are lemmings who believe the last thing Trump tells them.
This was done for multiple reasons:
- Rile up the voting base – people who 24 hours ago couldn’t pronounce the name Mayorkas, let alone know who the hell he was – and paint him as the GOP’s new boogeyman. Make him the face of the anti-immigration movement spearheaded by a MAGA base that hates brown people by default.
- Attempt to make it look like the GOP is “doing something” about the border
- De-value impeachment as a check on executive overreach, turning it into just another partisan tool that can be safely ignored by the general public as “no big deal”
- Take the focus off of Trump and everything he’s saying and doing.
“We need to shut the border.… The president could take executive action to do it today—doesn’t need more money. It needs action, and this is what’s disappointing to people, and that’s why Mayorkas is gonna pay this public relations price by being impeached for the first time since 1876,”
So if Biden could have done it through an EO, why not just write up and pass a bill that has everything you’d want the EO to have? Oh, that’s right. The Senate just did that and you rejected it out of hand because the orange man told you to. If Trump had blessed the exact same bill, you’d have been standing in front of a pulpit popping the champagne bottle while some old hag screams at random people to shut up. Fucking tool.
They just voted against the border security bill that they supported and wanted, and now they’re trying to blame someone else.
Yep… Blame shifting, rationalizing unwillingness to take responsibility, strip targets of agency, and cause their base, who are children, to internalize this as immutable truth
No, he didn’t “accidentally” say the reason. He just said they’re doing it “for political vandalism and fuck you too“.
They’ve been right out front with their unfiltered racist hateful shit-for-brains garbage for almost a decade now. And yet we still see these headlines like “Oops! RepubliQan Guy Accidentally Says Deeply Offensive Thing” witha bunch of “oooooh those terrible republiQans!” comments. We are stuck. In republican hell.
If Trump doesn’t win they’re all going to prison. Gang of traitors can go get fucked while they’re there.
Not happening, the elite don’t send each other to prison. That’s why trump, with his massive amount of shit he has done, is still free. You can’t put one of their own up.
Makes me want to go too just to fuck with them like the movie Let’s Go to Jail
Because he’s from Cuba?
There are two jobs of being an elected official. One is getting elected. The other is actually governing. The GOP is failing at the second one.
Without their creative redistricting and voter suppression policies, they would be failing the first as well
And many of them need to cheat in an already broken system to achieve the first one
Always wanted to ask but isnt the entire fruit and vegetable market basically run by migrants? Whos gonna do that work? Most definitely wont be trumpers (gopers). So thats going to be interesting.
Yes, the agriculture and service industries would be devastated. Our economy would suffer. Maybe that needs to happen to get it through some people’s head?
Doubt they would see the connection. They will probably blame lgbtq or something
I’ve heard this on some radio show a while ago. The farm owners know that people will get it no matter what, they don’t care. What they care about is how much control they will have over them when they get here. Fear creates complying.
That’s easy! We only give ‘real americans’ food. There will be plenty. /s
Hell in a handbasket.
Well it sounds like Hill is saying that Biden could unilaterally shut the border. Unsure if that is true, but if it is then that is at least a reason to impeach. Albeit NOT a reason a impeach Mayorkas as he doesn’t have that authority. But this could at least be a named reason to impeach Biden. This absolutely doesn’t qualify as “high crimes and misdemeanors” since it is the President’s prerogative whether or not to exercise this action, not a crime to fail to do so. But at least it’d be more of a reason than the Republicans gave last time they tried to impeach Biden.
So they impeached Mayorkas because Biden could unilaterally shut the border but hasn’t?
That what it sounded like. It’s not a good reason, but at least it’s “A” reason. Which they didn’t have any of for their Biden impeachment attempt.
