• Rikudou_Sage
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    462 months ago

    I mean, good? At least in the long term. This should be a red flag on how reliant on totalitarian regimes we are. We should not go with China just because it’s easier at the moment.

    • @Live_Let_Live
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      -532 months ago

      the jokes write themselves.

      western genocidal imperialists complaining about totalitarian regimes, first stop funding israel and then complain about “totalitarianism” in china

      atleast we have better healthcare and job security

      • @WaxedWookie
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        2 months ago

        Why not just do both? We don’t even have to stop there - we could stop the Uyghur genocide, free Tibet, leave Taiwan alone, and stop the bullshit in the Spratley Islands while we’re at it.

        Oh - tankie logic - I’ll get the finger paint.

        Ready? I’ll take it slow - It’s bad to do some things - like genocide or ending democracy - and those things are bad whether you’re the US, China, or a bootlicking dipshit that’s incapable of defining communism when handed a dictionary.

        Simple stuff.

        Edit: holy fuck I was not wrong on the tankie piece - their most recent comment was a massive rant about Tiananmen square.

      • Rikudou_Sage
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        222 months ago

        Sure, fella, sure. But at least I can talk about what my country did wrong. Your opinion of the 1989 Tiananmen Square massacre?

        • @WaxedWookie
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          22 months ago

          China actively works to suppress people talking about Tiananmen square - that’s a deeply stupid reach to attempt.

          Massacres are bad - don’t make me get the finger paint again.

          • Rikudou_Sage
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            12 months ago

            China actively works to suppress people talking about Tiananmen square - that’s a deeply stupid reach to attempt thing to do.

            FTFY

            • @WaxedWookie
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              32 months ago

              Yes, it’s stupid to ban speech about it and it’s stupid (not to mention dishonest) to pretend I’m unwilling to call out my country’s atrocities considering the consequences for the talking about Tiananmen square in China.

        • @hark
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          -92 months ago

          Dang, China must be doing well if the last bad thing they did was about 35 years ago. You’re free to talk about all the bad things your country did much more recently so I guess that’s better. You have no say in whether your country can and can’t do bad things, but you can talk about it. That’s very nice!

          • Rikudou_Sage
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            52 months ago

            Now you’re getting it, it is very nice! We can even protest and stuff. And we won’t end up in jail! Seriously, if you love it so much, move to China/Russia/other-wannabe-communist-shithole and enjoy!

            And no, the last bad thing they did isn’t 35 years ago, but you know that as well, don’t you, little troll?

            • @hark
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              -22 months ago

              I just find it funny that people trot out the 1989 tiananmen square massacre over and over again like it’s some kind of gotcha. Protest all you want, but when protesting doesn’t do shit, it’s not really worth anything. Tell me how all the protests and speaking out against the Iraq war stopped the US from invading Iraq and staying there to this day. Tell me how all the protests against the US support of israel carrying out genocide is doing anything to change that. If you’re allowed to protest, it’s because your protests change nothing.

          • @WaxedWookie
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            32 months ago

            Except they’re not doing well - they continue to aggressively suppress speech about Tiananmen square 35 years later, they’re genociding the Uyghurs, erasing Tibet, suppressing Hong Kong, preparing to annex Taiwan, and pulling some transparent bullshit in the Spratley Islands to name just a few.

            …but you know your comment was dishonest - you don’t need me to point out how obviously full of shit you are.

          • @orrk
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            12 months ago

            hey, at least America and Europe don’t need suicide safety nets in their government backed slave camps industrial sector

            • @hark
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              12 months ago

              No, instead America and Europe outsource to countries that do.

              • @orrk
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                12 months ago

                There is nothing inherent in that type of work that would serve to create these conditions, the reason we outsource this labor is easy, you gladly buy stuff made with slave work, corporations want the cheapest production, and these nations are more than happy to destroy their own populace, because shocker, they are just imperialist state capitalists in the case of China/North Korea.

                So, no, the fact that they need suicide safety nets is 100% a China issue.

                • @hark
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                  12 months ago

                  I didn’t say that it is inherent to that work, just pointing out that outsourcing to countries with those issues is merely delegating responsibility, just like how moving manufacturing to China and then shipping products back doesn’t mean the west cut down emissions when they’ve simply moved it somewhere else. I don’t gladly buy stuff made with slave work, I have no choice in the matter other than to not buy products (which is a choice I often take), because the two or three companies that control every industry get to decide where and how stuff is made.

        • @Live_Let_Live
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          -362 months ago

          1989 Tiananmen Square massacre

          If the incident 32 years ago has any positive effect, that is, it has inoculated the Chinese people with a political vaccine, helping us acquire immunity from being seriously misled. China underwent a “color revolution,” but wasn’t brought down by it. The leadership of the Communist Party of China has saved the fate of the nation at a critical juncture.

          China was the earliest among socialist countries to initiate reforms. Chinese society at that time lacked experience and some intellectuals began to blindly follow Western values, with a group even advocating a thorough Westernization as the ultimate goal of the reforms. Social turbulence took place in such a context and went to extreme under the inducement and manipulation of some political forces

          Changes in the world geopolitical landscape in the late 1980s and early 1990s led to a series of consequences. The socialist camp of the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe disintegrated in 1991 but China stood steadily. The “color revolution” was aborted in China, and the result became a watershed where China and former socialist countries in Eastern Europe embarked on different development paths.

          More than three decades have passed by. Facts speak louder than words. China has embarked on a socialist path with Chinese characteristics and made remarkable progress that amazed the world. It leapfrogged to the world’s second biggest economy with a per capita GDP of over $10,000, from a country that only ranked eighth in the world in terms of GDP and had a per capita GDP of only more than $400. The urban middle classes are rising in China. All cities, villages and people’s livelihood have taken on a completely new look and absolute poverty has been eliminated. While at the same time, the world is full of chaos, with “color revolutions” destroying many countries. All this has made Chinese people see clearly that the path China has chosen is correct.

          The Chinese people have the most say about this country and to define what the Tiananmen Square means. The Square nowadays is packed with visitors throughout the year. The flag-raising ceremony held here every day undoubtedly is the one that has attracted the most audiences in the world. The ceremony on October 1, the National Day, is particularly grand, and often attracts hundreds of thousands of spectators.

          Tiananmen Square embodies the Chinese people’s confidence and pride in the politics of the country, and it is a symbol of China’s unity as well as the country’s independence and increasing prosperity. The Chinese public’s understanding of the incident 32 years ago has undergone a fundamental change. We laugh at those posturing “commemorative” activities and political stunts orchestrated by outside forces.

          • Rikudou_Sage
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            202 months ago

            Tsk, tsk, tsk, your social credit just went down because you didn’t deny it happened as Jinping the Pooh requires you to. Well, I hope China enjoys its downhill ride as they’re currently finding out that you can’t overcome everything just by having way too many people to throw on it. Especially since the population is in decline. (For the record, I know you’re not a resident of China, you can stop cosplaying).

          • @RubberElectrons
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            Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.
            

            George Orwell, 1984

            Honestly frightening that you trumpet this as a good thing. All our governments fucking suck in their own ways, and much as I love living in the US, I’m not ashamed to acknowledge serious mistakes made in the past and present. Denial gets us nowhere.

          • @orrk
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            12 months ago

            Tankie obsession with color revolutions, Meanwhile they back genocidal imperialist regimes with a penchant for straight-up butchering entire ethnic groups and anyone left of fucking Hitler, BUT because (and this is extra double funny/ironic) the Cold War era propaganda in the US depicted them as “left wing communists” they support them, because imperialism means America or something that retarded.

  • @[email protected]
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    112 months ago

    I don’t understand this at all, isn’t anti-subsidy primarily to stop the Chinese stuff? How does it hurt the European rail industry?

    • @[email protected]
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      132 months ago

      Chinese industry is generally heavily subsidised, while European competition rules affect domestic industry and importation to the EU isn’t tariffed as needed to balance location advantages of Chinese subsidies.