I’ve read that one, the one with a silly piramid of doom and lots of posters with a moustache man, and the smallish book by the original moustache and beard man with the whole commie thing laid out
I don’t get it. Animal farm is pro socialism and maybe pro communism, it is a cautionary tale of the corrupting force of power.
Or is the meme about how leftist became leftist because of animal farm?
I think it’s about how conservatives and liberals read Animal Farm and think it’s a condemnation of communism, without bothering to understand what communism is or learn anything about Orwell’s political beliefs. They don’t read Marx, but they think they understand Marx because they’ve read an allegory for Leninism and Stalinism.
Mhm interesting perspective, that would explain it.
The novella is an allegory for Communist Russia under Josef Stalin, who was leader of the Soviet Union when Orwell wrote the book.
I know and it was in favor for socialism/communism, just not for Josef Stalin.
Why do you think he wrote the allegory? What was his point? “Stalin pig”?
Oh. I think the meme is that there more to leftist theory than Animal Farm.
Weird, you are the poster but you THINK the meme is something. And who thinks that animal farm is the whole leftist theory?
Next up, my meme is that there is more to tomato sauce than bacon. (Some people put bacon in their tomato sauce).
Why don’t you post?
I post when I have something to add to the platform as a post and not a random meme that I don’t understand and think it might mean something but I am not sure.
Hush theyre trying really hard to convince us all they dont post these memes with an agenda to push, u might disrupt them!
Orwell was very much a “both sides” kinda guy. He still was a Democratic Socialist, but also snitched to the UK Gov with a list of Socialist writers for Anti-Communist purposes.
He wrote from his pov a list of Stalin supporters, according of your source. Pro-socialism, contra-stalin. What I claimed.
He fed the anti-communists, and dedicated himself to attacking anyone on the left not perfectly aligned with himself. He bolstered overall anti-socialism and was ultimately a tool of the bourgeoisie by working with the pro-colonial group.
His overall beliefs were in favor of Democratic Socialism, but he worked with liberal Capitalists more than he did with Socialists.
Let’s say you are 100% correct, how does that matter in the regards of how you have to understand animal farm as a text?
I think we would be off-road quite a bit here and I am not interested in that.
Something that you might want to consider when evaluating people at any given time is their environment, how it impacted them and in case of idealisms, what does it mean for the possible success of it. I am specifically not claiming it is the case, but e.g. Orwell could felt threatened by his environment, both personally and his believes. Stalin and his supporters could meant for him to possible death of the ideals that he hold because from his pov, it was a perversion of his ideals. At the same time, he didn’t want to become a victim of the liberal capitalist. So from his pov, distracting the capitalists by destroying the perversion of his believes, might sounded to him like the best way of action for his ideals and himself, which was worth protecting even in a strictly idealogical perspective, as he had a loud voice for the movement. I don’t claim that this is the case, I am just saying that you could make sense of it without making him a “both sides guy”. This is not an invitation of discussion but of consideration when evaluating people from a different time.
Ooh ooh, now do one that’s good.
Okay ✅
OP delivers. Though I would quibble that really describes ml more than it does straight up Marxists. Since Marx himself did speak of evolution. It is definitely a pointed criticism of the revolutionary kind we’re still dealing with today.
As a topologist I feel personally offended by you relating the beautiful torus to dirty horseshoe theory. Also, they are delicious pastries.
Funny, ain’t it, how all the school children get told in the end that the pigs turned into the farmers in everything but name but never discuss the implied criticism of the existence of the farmers at all.
Oh I didn’t know they ran the farm good for them I hope things work out for them, I guess calling it animal farm makes more sense now
